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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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Yeah... because being in a violent choke hold gasp for breath and fearing for your life wouldn't induce a heart attack... :lol:

When I first head of this case....I thought the cop over-reacted. I am not so sure, now. If the coroner reports says there was no windpipe damage, then it it's possible that he had a heart attack and died simply from being out of shape and getting over excited over getting arrested. That happens. However we cannot expect a cop to say: Your under arrest unless you don't feel good or get excited easily. Until I have info otherwise, I will have to trust the grand jury. I seriously doubt that they would not indict if they were presented with enough evidence to suggest a crime.
 
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That's not what I meant - obviously only a few NY cops were part of this and would be indicted.

It appears that only one NYPD officer was offered up to the GJ to take the fall. That may be exactly why the GJ refused to indict only that single NYPD officer, perhaps the GJ believed that he was simply a small part of what led to the man's death and thus not singly criminally responsible for his death.
 
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It appears that only one NYPD officer was offered up to the GJ to take the fall. That may be exactly why the GJ refused to indict only that single NYPD officer, perhaps the GJ believed that he was simply a small part of what led to the man's death and thus not singly criminally responsible for his death.

It stinks.... my gut just says this is wrong.
 
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It stinks.... my gut just says this is wrong.

It is also wrong to resist arrest, without which there would have been no cause to try to use any force at all. Basically daring police to touch you places the ball in their court. It would seem, after 30 prior arrests, that this guy should know better than to try to resist.
 
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It is also wrong to resist arrest, without which there would have been no cause to try to use any force at all. Basically daring police to touch you places the ball in their court. It would seem, after 30 prior arrests, that this guy should know better than to try to resist.



I didn't see resisting. I did hear him say at least 5 times saying he can't breathe.
 
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It's not a civil rights thing. It's not a dem vs. repub thing. Each incident must stand or fall on it's own merits. Ferguson and Brown is not the same as NY and Garner. IMO they got Ferguson right and they got NY oh so wrong. Everyone in NY should be frightened of the NYPD not getting indicted for Garner's death.

While I do admit that when I first heard about this case, I thought the cop over-reacted, I would like to read the Grand Jury report on this one. I just cannot see Grand Jurists pouring over the evidence for months and coming up empty if there was something there that the officer could have been indicted on, especially in a liberal cop hating city like NYC. Perhaps the coroner's report showed that he died from a heart attack and clogged arteries and not the so-called choke hold.
 
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I didn't see resisting. I did hear him say at least 5 times saying he can't breathe.


Watch that video again and you just might notice the difficulty that the officers had in cuffing him. That ability to speak 5 times indicates that he could breathe. Try holding your breath and talking. He died of a heart attack likely brought on by the stress of physically resisting arrest.
 
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Watch that video again and you just might notice the difficulty that the officers had in cuffing him. That ability to speak 5 times indicates that he could breathe. Try holding your breath and talking. He died of a heart attack likely brought on by the stress of physically resisting arrest.

The man had big wrists for all I know and that's what the difficulty was. Apparently speaking 5 times that he couldn't breathe - then he died seemed to add to the stress of the heart attack.

I loved the part in the video where he stopped breathing and they started CPR and actively trying to save his life. Yeah the best part.
 
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It stinks.... my gut just says this is wrong.

No doubt this is a surprising ruling. I don't get it. But I'm willing to wait until more facts come out before I overreact, and it's so stupid to make this a racial issue every time. I swear that's all some people think everything comes down to.
 
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No doubt this is a surprising ruling. I don't get it. But I'm willing to wait until more facts come out before I overreact, and it's so stupid to make this a racial issue every time. I swear that's all some people think everything comes down to.

Yeah I don't know how much of a racial issue this is.... but if a community was going to get upset at a wrongful death by the police, it's this one with Garner, not Ferguson and Brown.
 
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The idea that this man died from a group attack by four police officers - one who sneaks up behind him and applies a barred chokehold to him - for the capital offense of selling loose cigarettes simply is something that no writer in any movie would dare pen for risk of being laughed from the room. But here it is just the same in real life and the cop walks free.

Amazing. Simply amazing.
 
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I didn't see resisting. I did hear him say at least 5 times saying he can't breathe.


Nor did I see him resisting. This clearly is the definition of abuse of police power.
 
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When he continued to resist arrest he became a threat.

The cops primary focus in these situations is control. If the suspect appears to be on the verge of becoming uncontrollable then the cop is going to do something to regain that control. Ideally that escalation will be a stepped response and only enough force to regain control will be utilized. In my experience that's exactly what you saw in the video.

Did you watch the video? You call that resisting arrest?
 
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Did you watch the video? You call that resisting arrest?

Yes, he was resisting arrest. He started resisting arrest when he verbally refused to submit to being arrested.
 
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The idea that this man died from a group attack by four police officers - one who sneaks up behind him and applies a barred chokehold to him - for the capital offense of selling loose cigarettes simply is something that no writer in any movie would dare pen for risk of being laughed from the room. But here it is just the same in real life and the cop walks free.

Amazing. Simply amazing.

The, "choke hold", didn't kill him.
 
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Yes, he was resisting arrest. He started resisting arrest when he verbally refused to submit to being arrested.

I didn't see him resisting arrest. Verbally refusing to submit to being arrested.... really?

Did you see the part where the police gave him CPR after? What a great police force they have there.
 
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The, "choke hold", didn't kill him.

It contributed to his death - unless you're claiming he would have had a coronary and dropped dead right there if the police didn't drag him to the ground and choke him.

And that's what I'm missing in this case.... I want to see a jury look at that evidence and make a ruling. In this particular case, it warranted a jury reviewing what the police did and how they did it.
 
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Yes, he was resisting arrest. He started resisting arrest when he verbally refused to submit to being arrested.

So he deserved to be choked to death? Which chokehold is against the law in NY?
 
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**** them. They can take their alpha-male, bully attitude and stick it up their ass as far as I'm concerned.

I generally side with the cops. But not on this one. I can't believe these Rambo wannabe's got away with this. Well, actually, I can.

It won't be long before the populous starts shooting back if they don't get a grip on their dominance obsession. Homey don't play dat ****.

I'm glad I'm a law abiding citizen and I don't have to cow-tow to these mother****ers.



Lol !!

" **** them " ? Alpha Male Bullies ?

Doesn't sound like you side with them at all. Sounds like you've got a personal vendetta against Police Officers in general.

From what I saw the guy resisted arrest and then died from the stress of the ensuing struggle.
 
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What will be the reaction in NYC tonight as another grand jury chooses not to hand down an indictment for a white police officer who killed a black man who resisted arrest?

Based only on what I saw in the video, I sure don't understand why the cop wasn't charged with SOMEthing.
AND ... I know the death was declared a homicide from the chokehold BUT also that Garner had asthma, HBP, and was obese which they said also contributed to it.
Maybe that had something to do with the GJ decision.
 
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So he deserved to be choked to death? Which chokehold is against the law in NY?

Here we go....

This is how BS false narratives like " hands up dont shoot " get their beginnings.

He wasn't choked to death. The Coroners report proves that.
 
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Based only on what I saw in the video, I sure don't understand why the cop wasn't charged with SOMEthing.
AND ... I know the death was declared a homicide from the chokehold BUT also that Garner had asthma, HBP, and was obese which they said also contributed to it.
Maybe that had something to do with the GJ decision.

I'd want a jury to review this incident - there certainly was enough there for an indictment since there was actual video of the event taking place. I don't get it....
 
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Here we go....

This is how BS false narratives like " hands up dont shoot " get their beginnings.

He wasn't choked to death. The Coroners report proves that.

Yet the choking contributed to his death.
 
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t was rulex
Here we go....

This is how BS false narratives like " hands up dont shoot " get their beginnings.

He wasn't choked to death. The Coroners report proves that.

It was ruled a homicide.
 
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