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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, so what you're saying is that if Eric Garner had shown the police his gun and intentions to use it if police used force, you would have supported him? Your consistent inconsistency is showing.
    Garner was not on his property, looked to me like he was on the sidewalk.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post


    OK then.
    I think it's pretty sad how fast you pull that card and how easy you find it to justify assault. Personally, I struggle with agreeing with the existence of police because they have an exception to pretty much every rule when it comes to human interaction.

    Assault? Fine if the person won't follow your orders.
    Invading the body of your fellow man? Fine if you think they have drugs.
    Destroying their property? Fine if you think they have drugs.
    Taking their blood? Fine if you think they did drugs.

    I could on of course, but you get the point.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    It is a racial thing. Many blacks want a free pass to do whatever.
    I'm sure you have sources to back up that comment. If not, I'm going to call it racist.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    I'm not debating that Garner was killed by the choke, what I am saying is that the choke itself was clearly meant to be just that, a choke. Garner's life was clearly in danger by this choke. The Officer in question intended to choke Eric Garner, and choking as we all know can be lethal. Plain and simple.
    Maybe you should clarify your double negative in the post I responded to.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Garner was not on his property, looked to me like he was on the sidewalk.
    Ah, so being on your property means you get to resist lawful police action and avoid accountability? Good stuff CRUE CAB. I'm enjoying jump through circles to justify your inconsistency.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm sure you have sources to back up that comment. If not, I'm going to call it racist.
    I'm just going to call it stupid.

    At the time of the incident, there is no indication that Garner was actively engaging in the heinous capital crime of selling loose cigarettes, as so many of the defenders of the cops here (not you, Henrin) have claimed.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, as expected, you honestly brought up a dictionary definition as a counter to the legal definition. The cops committed a homicide as per the fact that the autopsy ruled it such. In other words, their actions led to his death. That you're still trying to avoid this is f'n laughable.



    Do you understand what homicide means? Yes or no? I'll give you a clue. In every definition (legal or common), homicide means the actions of one person led to the death of another. That you're still trying to argue that this doesn't mean the actions of the police killed this man is just beyond all logic.
    Homicide has several meanings. As long as the very clear distinction is made that the coroner is not stating the officer committed a homicide but that Garner died as the result of law enforcement officials attempting to arrest a man who while resisting arrest, had contributing helath factors that resulted in his death...fine...call it a 'homicide' all you want.

    "OCME spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said Friday that Garner, a 43-year-old father of six, died from "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."

    His weight -- Garner weighed more than 300 pounds -- and pre-existing medical conditions -- acute and chronic bronchial asthma and hypertensive cardiovascular disease -- also contributed to Garner's death, the OCME's report states.

    Garner died after police attempted to place him under arrest on suspicion of selling untaxed cigarettes on Victory Boulevard and Bay Street in Tompkinsville."

    Without having seen the autopsy report and official cause of death (YOU have that info, right?) I can only assume that the grand jury looked at the 'big' picture in determining not to indict.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I agree but the first "illegal" act was resisting arrest (well actually it was selling "loose" cigarettes to an undercover officer) so if we are playing the which came first game the blame still originates with the perp and not the officers trying to arrest him.
    I agree - my point is that I'd rather have a court and a jury, hearing all evidence, determine if they believe the form of arrest was warranted in this case and if not then the officer's contribution to the eventual death would be penalized accordingly. Such a jury would be able to weigh both sides of the argument, in public view, rather than in secret, and it would better serve justice in the eyes of the community.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, so being on your property means you get to resist lawful police action and avoid accountability? Good stuff CRUE CAB. I'm enjoying jump through circles to justify your inconsistency.
    Not inconsistent at all. No one was trying to arrest anyone at Bundy.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Police were called. He was there and part of some melee or fight. Was told to stand down, turn around, and be detained until it was figured out who the bad guys were.
    He got loud and agitated. Bad idea.
    Do you always support a police state or only when the cops are attacking minorities for petty offenses?

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