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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Looking at the video many time I have one question; why did the criminal refuse to cooperate with the police? Caught red handed he lifts his arms saying waddup dudes? then he places both hands on his hips sending another message of defiance. Resist the cops and you will pay.
    What was he caught red handed doing?
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You know the old bit of wisdom.... there are none so blind as they who will not see.
    No, just have no sympathy for him.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Stop and frisk. NY had it for years. Lowered crime. You tell me.
    Stop and frisk needs probable cause for a crime being committed. Refusing to speak with police is not probable cause.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This is a textbook example of the strawman argument. He wasn't killed for selling loose cigarettes. Stop intentionally spreading misinformation. He was accosted in the manner he was, allegedly, for resisting arrest.

    That being said, in this instance, I don't buy that either, but the notion that he was killed for selling loose cigarettes is irresponsible hyperbole.
    He was confronted by five cops and wrestled to the ground for the crime of selling untaxed cigarettes. He was held in a chokehold that damaged his windpipe and contributed to his death. The medical examiner ruled the death a "homicide."

    The death may not have been intentional, but the facts show that he was, indeed, killed for selling loose cigarettes.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No reason? Really?
    If it's so obvious, tell us.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Stop and frisk needs probable cause for a crime being committed. Refusing to speak with police is not probable cause.
    Yes it is.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
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    Now carefully read the second sentence. Now go do it.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    He was confronted by five cops and wrestled to the ground for the crime of selling untaxed cigarettes. He was held in a chokehold that damaged his windpipe and contributed to his death. The medical examiner ruled the death a "homicide."

    The death may not have been intentional, but the facts show that he was, indeed, killed for selling loose cigarettes.
    That wasn't even the reason he was initially confronted.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I've been thinking about this event. What a tragedy. I mean, think about a guy who's trying to earn some (what amounts to) spare change selling loosies on the streets of New York. And he's dead now. IMO, it has to do with training. De-escalation is a cop's friend.

    So, what else might the cops have done with this guy?

    "Hey, man, we've had a couple of complaints from business owners nearby. You're either going to have to move on? Or we're going to have to arrest you. Your choice. Me? I don't want to do the paperwork. Keep moving." Frankly, that could've been done from out-the-window of a squad car. Circle a 4-block area and come back to make sure he's gone.

    If he doesn't leave, then we're back to a confrontation. I like to think/hope that we all agree with the rule of law in this country. But what kind of confrontation? I'd say a taser, not a 5-guy pile-on. That should probably be policy. I envision this:

    "You're under arrest (for xxxxx). So here's what's going to happen. I'm going to cuff you and take you down to the station. If you resist, that officer over there is going to taze you, and, on top of this misdemeanor charge, you're going to jail for resisting arrest." (Other officer standing with tazer in hand.)

    Too fat to get tazed? Too bad. Too old to get tazed? Too bad. There simply MUST be procedures that cops are required to follow before they can do a pile-on. We have the technology. Body cameras, tasers, etc. It's time we learned how to use them all.

    It's also too bad the DA decided a grand jury was appropriate. This was a wrongful (albeit accidental) death. "I can't breath - I can't breath - I can't breath" means the guy was subdued. His lying on his stomach with weight on his back from the grappling officers? The consequence of that (his death) can be easily predicted. The officers should have been charged. No grand jury required.



    My new favorite tactic is the "stop resisting" shouting while the guy squirms in pain from the tazer or other particular causing the detainee massive pain. /sarcasm
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    What was he caught red handed doing?
    Resisting.

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