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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    After several minutes yes. For the short period of time involved here no. The chokehold violates NYPD regulations and it can be seen as excessive but to suggest on the basis of that alone that the officer should have known that
    the amount of force being applied would be lethal is a real stretch.
    Does placing force around the neck compromise breathing?

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    The Police Commish in NYC begs to differ.



    I intend on it actually.

    I get the bias the majority of people have cops. I get it, I live in a family full of cops, my father himself was wrongly accused of misusing his power and spent years fighting the case (a case he thankfully won.) And I know once in the force I'll be faced with that same bias, but I won't stand here and act like the Police officers in question stood here and were merely doing their jobs. They were the ones who made the situation violent, and as a result someone died. If we don't hold the Police accountable for their actions, then who will?
    Yea, god forbid we hold citizens accountable for their behavior.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Does placing force around the neck compromise breathing?
    He was talking the whole time. Have someone choke you out, then talk.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, god forbid we hold citizens accountable for their behavior.
    So do you believe the Police should be able to hold, detain, and physically restrain citizens with impunity? Do you really trust that kind of power in the hands of public servants?

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not how I saw it. I just saw it again. He was loud, agitated, and resisting. Sorry, that will get you hooked up every time.
    I agree, though his resisting was token at best. Cops generally seem to have a very low threshold for what constitutes resisting.

    He violated department policy in at least a couple of ways. Frankly I hope he spends the rest of his life selling hotdogs.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The full video has been posted in this thread, numerous times.
    And you know exactly how much force being used? You notice he was still yelling. Try that while being choked.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I agree, though his resisting was token at best. Cops generally seem to have a very low threshold for what constitutes resisting.

    He violated department policy in at least a couple of ways. Frankly I hope he spends the rest of his life selling hotdogs.
    People are weak now a days. They think they are entitled to "special" treatment. Even after 30 arrests.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Does placing force around the neck compromise breathing?
    Depends on where and how it's applied. And compromising breathing doesn't necessarily have to result in death. Can it? Sure it can. But I think to assume that that was the cops intent or to suggest that the cop should have known that he could've killed the guy on the basis of that alone is wrong.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    So do you believe the Police should be able to hold, detain, and physically restrain citizens with impunity? Do you really trust that kind of power in the hands of public servants?
    Stop and frisk. NY had it for years. Lowered crime. You tell me.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    He was talking the whole time. Have someone choke you out, then talk.
    As stated before, it was and improper choke hold. Watch the video, his cries are muffled at best, it isn't until he manages to get the hold loosened is he able to shout louder. (His problem breathing would have been aggravated by his weight, and asthma.)

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