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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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Brown was a thug who charged a cop and got shot in the head for it. This was after he robbed a store. That was justified and the outrage over brown are stupid.


This dude, was selling loosies unarmed and was attacked for it ultimately causing his death. It's a bit different.

Blame the government for making it illegal. The cops are just doing what their civilian bosses tell them to do.

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Sorry, the police don't get to kill you for not putting your hands behind your back instantly.


The police didn't kill him. He was overweight and in I'll health and made his own decision to resist arrest.
 
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Oh, also, while we are on the topic of Tyrone Glover's technique, do you know where I can send condolences to the family of the other guy in the picture? Obviously he was murdered by that lethal choke hold. :roll:



He was let go. had he held it, it could easily kill him, I am not sure why you are taking this tact but it doesn't help you here.
 
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Apdst, I'm surprised you came back. Did you ever get around to answering my question after I answered yours? No?. Then, move along now, we have no time to address people who run away from questions. If ya did, point to the post #. Here's the question again:

Then don't respond. I didn't know you spoke for everyone on this thread.
 
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Blame the government for making it illegal. The cops are just doing what their civilian bosses tell them to do.

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Cops didn't observe him committing a crime
Cops could articulate thier reasonable suspicion for detaining him.
Cop put him in choke hold

I think you are right, the taxes create the black market, but these officers still should be far more reasonable in their execution of enforcing the law.
 
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As a matter of policy the NYPD prohibits the use. So the answer would be no they cannot. However because it isn't illegal for them to use one a criminal proceeding based solely on the choke-hold will go nowhere.

Therein lies the technical accuracy of the situation. I personally think a chokehold is terrible, and they shouldn't use it for a reason. But from a legal perspective, it isn't illegal. It's a policy issue. The NYPD should release him from any additional affiliation with them for breaking their policy which according to my BIL is something that the cop as well as the other cops should have known by second nature.

From a legal standpoint, hitting or kicking someone isn't illegal. Only illegally kicking or hitting someone is illegal. From a legal standpoint, chocking someone isn't illegal. Illegally chocking someone is illegal.

Here is what mattered:

The city medical examiner has ruled the death of Eric Garner, the 43-year-old father whose death in police custody sparked national outrage, a homicide, saying a chokehold killed him.

The medical examiner said compression of the neck and chest, along with Garner's positioning on the ground while being restrained by police during the July 17 stop on Staten Island, caused his death.


What was not considered were other criminal charges - and to be DRAMATIC!!!! and talk ONLY in ABSOLUTE EXTREMES - nor does anyone else it seems (but me) consider other possible charges than murder/manslaughter. Two officers committed criminal offenses against Garner - one a felony and the other a misdemeanor. But not manslaughter/murder in my opinion.

In my opinion, the officer who snuck up behind him and jumped up on his back with a chock hold committed felony reckless endangerment and felony assault. The Officer (#99) who held Garner's head with his body weight against the concrete committed misdemeanor assault.

Not only was the surprise assault from the rear illegal for the chock hold as an unlawful assault against Mr. Garner, but also because of the predictable result of Garner with this surprise and over 150 pounds suddenly on his back pulling him backwards caused him and the officer pressed against a large sheet of glass - which the officer stated caused him to fear for his life (though expressed no fear of Garner getting seriously or fatally cut) - and that danger then forced the other officers to quickly join in - also endangering them too.

The sneak assault from behind is what caused and escalated this - and that action of his endangered the life of everyone involved - including himself and Garner, but also the other officers. As it was life threatening and - if fact - was the primary factor in Garner's death - it is felony reckless endangerment. It wasn't just a punk-bully thing to do, it was a felony.

Shoving Garner's head into the concrete was unnecessary, but was only a misdemeanor assault.
 
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Then don't respond. I didn't know you spoke for everyone on this thread.

Apdst, I'll keep bringing the fact that you didn't answer my question after I answered yours. :) Do you have a problem with that? Here's the question again:

Another blanket accusation meant to draw attention away from the issue, how odd for you apdst. Apdst simple question: Do you believe all of the conservative members who have agreed that this was a case of excessive force are race hustlers? Yes or no answer. No need to draw it out.

You're welcome to answer it. :)
 
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The police didn't kill him. He was overweight and in I'll health and made his own decision to resist arrest.

The police killed him. Sorry that's a fact. Homicide by choking was the official cause of death.
 
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so we throw out diplomacy in favor of choke holds and violence.

Actually no. I have seen no one on either side of the issue defending choke holds as regular police procedure. Nor violence. But his actions led to what you are characterizing as violence, which in this case was an orchestrated and trained maneuver to subdue caused entirely by his resistance to being cuffed.
 
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The police killed him. Sorry that's a fact. Homicide by choking was the official cause of death.

Where are you getting this info? Show your work.
 
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Brown was a thug who charged a cop and got shot in the head for it. This was after he robbed a store. That was justified and the outrage over brown are stupid.


This dude, was selling loosies unarmed and was attacked for it ultimately causing his death. It's a bit different.

It's very different. But it's also NOT abuse. The cops didn't beat the guy and kill him. They subdued him because he resisted arrest and he had a heart attack because he was 200+ pounds overweight.
 
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Cops didn't observe him committing a crime
Cops could articulate thier reasonable suspicion for detaining him.
Cop put him in choke hold

I think you are right, the taxes create the black market, but these officers still should be far more reasonable in their execution of enforcing the law.

Cops don't have that authority. You know that.
 
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Was the black supervisor involved in any of those incidents?
Ya beat me to it, APDST!

Pantaleo who applied the lethal chokehold on Eric Garner was supervised by an African-American female NYPD sergeant.
“Having that Black sergeant in charge of that crime scene takes race out of the equation. As awful as Pantaleo’s actions appear on that video, at no time does that Black sergeant order Pantaleo to stop choking Garner.”


The Entire ‘Racism’ Narrative in the Eric Garner Case is Destroyed By One Fact That Changes Everything | Top Right News
 
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The civilian bosses don't tell the cops to kill people.

Ever wonder how MMA fighters can choke each other out all the time yet never kill each other, but somehow on the rare instance that a cop chokes someone they so often end up dead?

You got that link?
 
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From a legal standpoint, hitting or kicking someone isn't illegal. Only illegally kicking or hitting someone is illegal. From a legal standpoint, chocking someone isn't illegal. Illegally chocking someone is illegal.

Here is what mattered:

The city medical examiner has ruled the death of Eric Garner, the 43-year-old father whose death in police custody sparked national outrage, a homicide, saying a chokehold killed him.

No he did not. Your next bolded statement is far more accurate

The medical examiner said compression of the neck and chest, along with Garner's positioning on the ground while being restrained by police during the July 17 stop on Staten Island, caused his death.

A choke hold would not compress the chest and doesn't have anything to do with his positioning on the ground.
 
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No he did not. Your next bolded statement is far more accurate



A choke hold would not compress the chest and doesn't have anything to do with his positioning on the ground.
BS. Obviously you know nothing of choke holds.

eg. Applying a rear naked from behind and to the side while rolling back on your hips would do exactly that.
 
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The civilian bosses don't tell the cops to kill people.

Ever wonder how MMA fighters can choke each other out all the time yet never kill each other, but somehow on the rare instance that a cop chokes someone they so often end up dead?

Because they are trained, certified to be in good health and there is a ref monitoring the choke.
 
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Actually no. I have seen no one on either side of the issue defending choke holds as regular police procedure. Nor violence. But his actions led to what you are characterizing as violence, which in this case was an orchestrated and trained maneuver to subdue caused entirely by his resistance to being cuffed.



"Orchestrated and trained" BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

The choke is on wrong.

He doesn't have his hooks in.


If garner had a clue he could make weight, turn into officer choke hold, given the lack of hooks, get side control, and put him in a world of hurt.

Officer choke hold is one of those dangers of "knowing a little" about something.



Choke holds are banned by nypd.

What he attempted was a choke.
 
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BS. Obviously you know nothing of choke holds.

I can do one, a weak one yes, hell I'm old, and yes I am familiar. Are you, or is this the armchair speaking?
 
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It's very different. But it's also NOT abuse. The cops didn't beat the guy and kill him. They subdued him because he resisted arrest and he had a heart attack because he was 200+ pounds overweight.



I'm not disputing garner was the biggest contributer to his death.


My point is, we in this country shouldn't be putting citizens in choke holds over suspicion of selling loose cigarettes.


Diplomacy would have been the quiver I would have chosen over my bad ass choke holds. ;)
 
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