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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    again, cops were the aggressors, he wasn't the guy with the problem, he was just standing there.
    Not how I saw it. I just saw it again. He was loud, agitated, and resisting. Sorry, that will get you hooked up every time.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Were his previous arrests confrontational, or compliant?

    If you're going to claim his reputation was relevant, then that aspect is equally relevant.
    Don't matter, he was a criminal. You look a person up in the system and all it shows is arrests. What for and when.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If justice is killing an unarmed man for suspicion of selling loose cigarettes - God help us all.
    This is a textbook example of the strawman argument. He wasn't killed for selling loose cigarettes. Stop intentionally spreading misinformation. He was accosted in the manner he was, allegedly, for resisting arrest.

    That being said, in this instance, I don't buy that either, but the notion that he was killed for selling loose cigarettes is irresponsible hyperbole.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    The only way a Police officer can restrain or even lay their hands on citizens if the citizen is being arrested or if physical contact prevents the situation from escalating. Even then, it can't intentionally harm the person. (For instance, they can push someone away from another individual if the pushed individual were to provoke a fight.) Choke holds like the one the officer used on Garner is prohibited in a good number of Police Departments for this reason. His rep and rap sheet are completely irrelevant.
    Not a choke hold. One frame of vid is not proof of a choke hold. But hey, you try the job on for size and see how your attitude changes about the poor misunderstood people.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Thanks, and it is based on ability, but with my work hours I can only make there twice a week. I would love to do an extra day a week but we'll see what happens.
    You should talk to some other students often the school will set up open mat times for groups who want it. We do.


    I would wager you have more training and in much better shape than Eric Garner. Someone with asthma could very easily lose their wind with forearm pressure to a hold like that. Aside from that, from my viewpoint, the Officer's forearm is against the neck.
    Not the point, on garner, his windpipe was clear, classic if we see a student doing that, we say tighten up. but in reality, even tight, the proper choke there is on the arteries not the windpipe. where it's position, he has leverage on one side, won't work.

    He was loosing his air from the knees on his back.


    I agree with this as well. Unless Garner was being a clear and present threat to someone (or being charged with a crime) then the Officer shouldn't have had his hands on him in the first place.

    It was obscenely quick, he went behind him and grabbed him essentially.




    In the picture grey shirt has his hand gripping blue shirt's hand, probably more an attempt to remove the hold or not. Then again this is all on aside

    classic no-gi rear mount escape.

    Make weight
    Grab wrist an elbow
    Raise the arm
    Scooch and turn into him,
    end up in guard.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Don't matter, he was a criminal. You look a person up in the system and all it shows is arrests. What for and when.
    You just love to be wrong, don't you? You do it so often.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He wasn't choked to death! He died because he was too fat and out of shape to pick a fight with the cops.
    The NYC coroner's office disagrees.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You just love to be wrong, don't you? You do it so often.
    And you wore the badge for how long? Next time you have a police interaction, fight the cop.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Are you suggesting that a Police Officer didn't know cutting air off from someone wouldn't be lethal? You do understand what a chokehold is, right?

    After several minutes yes. For the short period of time involved here no. The chokehold violates NYPD regulations and it can be seen as excessive but to suggest on the basis of that alone that the officer should have known that
    the amount of force being applied would be lethal is a real stretch.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not a choke hold. One frame of vid is not proof of a choke hold. But hey, you try the job on for size and see how your attitude changes about the poor misunderstood people.
    The full video has been posted in this thread, numerous times.
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