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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    You're reading the law incorrectly. First offense is a misdemeanor. Any subsequent offense within five years of a previous offense is a felony. Class E is the lowest felony class in NY. Overkill in both cases imho and I'd guess in lost cases it gets knocked down to a violation but that's how it reads.


    convicted of the subdivicion meaning he imported lots and lots of packs? no?

    Note, however, there is no talk of selling loosies. Technically not a crime in ny.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    convicted of the subdivicion meaning he imported lots and lots of packs? no?

    Note, however, there is no talk of selling loosies. Technically not a crime in ny.
    Np. Yeah I haven't seen any reports that said he was actually selling any either. Seems the cops approached him simply because he was known to them.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If he broke up a fight.... for what crime would that provide probable cause?


    If cops roll up on a fight and there are three people involved, the cops really have no way of knowing who did what, all three can be detained and terry frisked. this I agree with as it's for everyone's safety.

    This wasn't that as shown by the video, fight was already over and cops were asking about cigarettes.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Np. Yeah I haven't seen any reports that said he was actually selling any either. Seems the cops approached him simply because he was known to them.

    did you catch my edit?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The only offense I saw was his horrible obesity.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If he broke up a fight.... for what crime would that provide probable cause?
    Claim was he broke up a fight. Who knows the truth.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    If cops roll up on a fight and there are three people involved, the cops really have no way of knowing who did what, all three can be detained and terry frisked. this I agree with as it's for everyone's safety.

    This wasn't that as shown by the video, fight was already over and cops were asking about cigarettes.
    From what I understood from the case, the cop who put him in a chokehold watched him break up the fight. At least, that's from the witness testimony:

    Staten Island grand jury decides not to indict police officer in Eric Garner's death, sources say | SILive.com

    One Staten Island resident who offered his testimony told the jury he saw Pantaleo in Tompkinsville Park, directly across from where Garner died, right before the incident.

    The man claims he and Pantaleo saw Garner break up a fight between two men, and said he thought Pantaleo was going to approach the two men before he saw him move in on Garner.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I never said this.


    Police need to observe a crime. (this did not happen here)

    Then they need to address it appropriately. (give him a ticket and take the cigarettes away).



    if they don't see him committing a crime, they shouldn't subdue him in order to look for contraban. they had no probable cause.

    Fair enough. There's no bigger cop supporter here than me, but I'm not going to go to the mat defending the cops' actions here. I also do think it's ridiculous how many little minor things are criminal offenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Write the guy an appearance ticket. Selling loosies is a misdemeanor.
    You don't think arrests should permissible in any misdemeanor cases? How about assault? Theft? DWI?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You don't think arrests should permissible in any misdemeanor cases? How about assault? Theft? DWI?
    Are you honestly equating selling loose cigarettes with assault, theft or DWI?

    For a minor, victimless misdemeanor like this, it seems to me that an appearance ticket would suffice, rather than, you know, killing the guy on the sidewalk.
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