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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He wasn't choked to death! He died because he was too fat and out of shape to pick a fight with the cops.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Edited vid.


    edited video? where, and why? prove this.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Point of order, if you are shouting "i cant breath" you are actually breathing, the "choke hold" that he had on Garner is supposed to cut off blood supply, it was applied wrong, and was simply a hold actually, it was the 4 other cops compressing his chest from his back with thier knees that was causing garner his breathing problems.
    Watch the video, he's hardly shouting as much as he is using whatever leverage he had to gasp out "I can't breath." The shouts get louder when the cop performing the choke hold is replaced by the cop pressing Garner's face into the ground. Let's look at the "simply a hold" again.



    Look at where the arm is wrapped around. I'll give you a hint, it's the neck. Notice how the officer's right hand is gripping into the arm that is wrapped around Garner's neck. That's hooking and pulling, it's a basic rear choke you learn in your first weak of BJJ. For comparison here is what a rear naked choke could look like if applied in the same way the officer applied his choke hold.





    The choke is a choke, and to someone weighing 400 pounds, and asthmatic alone could spike his heart rate high enough to provoke the heart attack that killed him. (That and the four other officers compressing the back and chest as you said earlier.)

    Does anyone have a link to the autopsy or a source? I know he died of a heart attack after the incident, but what did they determine the cause of death to be?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think you are right but it will be a long day in hell before police unions don't fight any change. It's absolutely astounding how many videos there are on the internet of people being harassed, assaulted, and denied their basic civil rights for everything from... being drunk during Mardi Gras to.... filming police being in the wrong. A few weeks ago I watched a video of a guy at a baseball game being harassed and arrested by the police for being ... drunk and loud... at a baseball game. It's getting to the point where if you are doing something, no matter the setting and environment and a cop doesn't like it, the only way to resist is to spend money on lawyers, take them to court, and hope the justice system - which has a lousy record of convicting ****ty cops - sees things your way.


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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You should remove that "libertarian" from your political lean.


    What law did he specifically break in this incident? What was he charged with? What was he doing?

    Please link to his "30 convictions".

    Police claim he was selling LOOSE cigarettes. He had a single pack of untaxed cigarettes on him (remember 59% of all cigarettes in the city are bootleg).




    Remember he was supposedly selling loose cigarettes. here is the law:



    Criminal Sale of Untaxed Cigarettes (NY State Tax Law 1814) | New York Criminal Defense Blawg

    "(b) Any person, other than an agent licensed by the commissioner, who
    possesses or transports for the purpose of sale any unstamped or
    unlawfully stamped packages of cigarettes subject to tax imposed by
    section four hundred seventy-one of this chapter, or who sells or offers
    for sale unstamped or unlawfully stamped packages of cigarettes in
    violation of the provisions of article twenty of this chapter shall be
    guilty of a misdemeanor. Any person who violates the provisions of this
    subdivision after having previously been convicted of a violation of
    this subdivision within the preceding five years shall be guilty of a
    class E felony."





    Read it, in order for it to be considered a misdemeanor, it would have to be the second time and he would have to be selling packs. so, this guy was attacked, wrassled to the ground and killed because of single cigarettes and a single pack of untaxed cigarettes that is hardly even a misdemeanor.



    It's no worse, ****, its less than a reckless driving ticket. if you accidentally get stopped for doing 30 over the limit, should you be dragged out of your car and killed?


    I don't think so.
    You're reading the law incorrectly. First offense is a misdemeanor. Any subsequent offense within five years of a previous offense is a felony. Class E is the lowest felony class in NY. Overkill in both cases imho and I'd guess in lost cases it gets knocked down to a violation but that's how it reads.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No, I was raised by a police officer and knew to give deferment to the authority they had. Until it got out of hand. Then we did some complaining.
    I was just happy they never actually caught me racing.


    Officer choke hold would have killed you, illegal street racing is a felony in some states, in FL it's more serious than selling loosies. but as the son of a cop, you would have gotten off, you would just have had to make sure you told the LEO of the family relationship.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Do you think it's a good idea to start communicating to people that, as long as they resist enough and the charge is minor enough (as determined by I'm not sure who), cops'll just give up and walk away?
    Write the guy an appearance ticket. Selling loosies is a misdemeanor.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Watch the video, he's hardly shouting as much as he is using whatever leverage he had to gasp out "I can't breath." The shouts get louder when the cop performing the choke hold is replaced by the cop pressing Garner's face into the ground. Let's look at the "simply a hold" again.



    Look at where the arm is wrapped around. I'll give you a hint, it's the neck. Notice how the officer's right hand is gripping into the arm that is wrapped around Garner's neck. That's hooking and pulling, it's a basic rear choke you learn in your first weak of BJJ. For comparison here is what a rear naked choke could look like if applied in the same way the officer applied his choke hold.





    The choke is a choke, and to someone weighing 400 pounds, and asthmatic alone could spike his heart rate high enough to provoke the heart attack that killed him. (That and the four other officers compressing the back and chest as you said earlier.)

    Does anyone have a link to the autopsy or a source? I know he died of a heart attack after the incident, but what did they determine the cause of death to be?




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    Note elbow position. if the crook of that elbow is sticking out like that the trachea is not being compressed. officer choke hold doesn't have position, and isn't actually choking ****.

    not because he didn't want to, but because he sucks.


    note, last picture, dude aint beint choked yet either.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    wait, if the probable cause was due to his involvement in breaking up a fight, then why in the video is it about selling cigarettes?


    That is not probable cause.
    If he broke up a fight.... for what crime would that provide probable cause?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Edited vid.
    First I've heard of that. I assume you have the uncut vid that proves your argument.
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