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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Then decided to resist detainment.


    In order to detain someone you need to be able to articulate reasonable suspicion that that person committed a crime.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    They're supposed to do their jobs.
    loosies are technically not a crime. there was no present evidence he was even selling loosies, he, the citizen had broken up an actual crime, a fight, but they chose him over the combatants.

    I'd argue they weren't "doing thier jobs".


    Honestly, there are ways ( safe ways ) to address harassment. Resisting is NOT a effective way to deal with harassment.
    What was his other choice? file a lawsuit, a complaint? 1. cant afford. 2. you saw how they treat him, what would complaining do?


    That is if its actually occurring and isn't being used as a excuse for some dude that simply doesn't feel like going to jail that day.

    loosies techically isn't a crime, selling bootleg packs of cigarettes after the 2nd time is a finable offense, a misdemeanor, not something to be arrested and hauled of to jail for.

    he at worst was selliong loosies but there is no evidence of that on this occasion.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I'm just posting the LEGAL Definition of Manslaughter.

    If they didn't indict him for manslaughter it tells me that NYs definition is in line with the Definition I posted.

    Also, a LEO struggling with a resisting non-compliant suspect does not constitute a reckless disregard of that person's life.

    The vast majority of resisting suspects can and DO survive being forcibly taken into custody.


    But imagine if that were the case. That Police Officers were no longer allowed to use force to take in a suspect that was non compliant.

    Anyone and everyone could simply tell a Police Officer " F-u, don't touch me , I'm not going anywhere with you ".
    New York apparently has separate voluntary and involuntary manslaughter statutes. The lowest threshold would be the involuntary manslaughter. My state does not define the two by statute but rather leaves it to common law cases to determine what is one or the other.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I think if we, the people show outrage that someone is attacked, and wrassled to the ground over suspicion of selling loosies to the point of death, that policies would be changed.


    Cops never should have put themsleves in a position where they "should have walked away".
    So there should just be a list of criminal offenses that everyone understands that no action, at all, should be taken?
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    In order to detain someone you need to be able to articulate reasonable suspicion that that person committed a crime.
    Actually no you don't. You need to see them as a potential threat. All the cops knew was there was a fight. Due to previous run ins with this guy they had every reason to believe he was part of the fight.
    And until there was evidence otherwise, they had a right to detain him.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So there should just be a list of criminal offenses that everyone understands that no action, at all, should be taken?


    I never said this.


    Police need to observe a crime. (this did not happen here)

    Then they need to address it appropriately. (give him a ticket and take the cigarettes away).



    if they don't see him committing a crime, they shouldn't subdue him in order to look for contraban. they had no probable cause.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Did you ever asked them if they thought you were a coward? That would explain why they'd keep coming back to harass you. They probably thought you'd allow the harassment without complaining.
    No, I was raised by a police officer and knew to give deferment to the authority they had. Until it got out of hand. Then we did some complaining.
    I was just happy they never actually caught me racing.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I sure hope I never get another beatdown by a cop, the would all crucify me for my past... lol.



    you are right, dude was selling loosies. technically not even a crime in NY. for that.... well lets look.


    "“I became a police officer to help people and to protect those who can’t protect themselves. It is never my intention to harm anyone and I feel very bad about the death of Mr. Garner. My family and I include him and his family in our prayers and I hope that they will accept my personal condolences for their loss,” Pantaleo said in a statement, according to NBC New York’s Steven Bognar"


    Garner was protected and helped the **** out of I would say.



    I think the winds of change are on the horizon, with body cameras being rolled out and citizens videoing the poiice (most often to thier dismay), that this can't keep going on.

    The new videos that come out daily will eventually overwhelm the people and the police will be forced aways from it's warrior cop back to the citizen officer they should be.
    I think you are right but it will be a long day in hell before police unions don't fight any change. It's absolutely astounding how many videos there are on the internet of people being harassed, assaulted, and denied their basic civil rights for everything from... being drunk during Mardi Gras to.... filming police being in the wrong. A few weeks ago I watched a video of a guy at a baseball game being harassed and arrested by the police for being ... drunk and loud... at a baseball game. It's getting to the point where if you are doing something, no matter the setting and environment and a cop doesn't like it, the only way to resist is to spend money on lawyers, take them to court, and hope the justice system - which has a lousy record of convicting ****ty cops - sees things your way.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    yes, they decided to harrass a citizen they have had run-ins with before. In this case he had broken up a fight and they used it as an opportunity to harrass him again.

    The video shows this, clearly
    Edited vid.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Actually no you don't. You need to see them as a potential threat. All the cops knew was there was a fight. Due to previous run ins with this guy they had every reason to believe he was part of the fight.
    And until there was evidence otherwise, they had a right to detain him.


    wait, if the probable cause was due to his involvement in breaking up a fight, then why in the video is it about selling cigarettes?


    That is not probable cause.
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