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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

He put his hands up and said don't touch me. He verbally resisted not physically. They didn't even attempt CPR when his body was limp on the stretcher.
 
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Ikari said:
Local government is still.....government. Interesting that you can't seem to grasp that. The agents of government are government agents. Again, interesting that you can't seem to grasp that. Government vs. the People. As always.
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Local cops cannot act outside their jurisdiction. And no, again, local government is different than state government than federal government. The closeness of representation is quite different.
 
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ashurbanipal said:
Maybe he was just fed up. It's not going to happen real soon, I don't think, but there are a few things that the mostly-white 50-something well-to-do financial managers who really run this country are going to discover about oppressing people at some point. It won't be pleasant, I'm afraid. In the meantime, if he had 30-odd other arrests for something he thought he should be able to do, or which was basically his only option for making a living, he may have simply had enough.
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so we should all be able to do "want we want to do regardless of laws?"

just another dude looking for the easy buck.....and kept getting caught

no too bright apparently
 
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Deuce said:
Another question:

If you were literally being choked to death, would you calm down?

People who are literally being killed have a tendency to fight back, which is apparently justification for killing them. Neat situation.
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This often happen when the police overreact, remember Rodney King. It's hard to be still while you think you're being beaten to death. Now, we seem to be having a rash of police misconduct. Or it could be that people are getting tired of police tactics.
 
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ashurbanipal said:
Maybe he was just fed up. It's not going to happen real soon, I don't think, but there are a few things that the mostly-white 50-something well-to-do financial managers who really run this country are going to discover about oppressing people at some point. It won't be pleasant, I'm afraid. In the meantime, if he had 30-odd other arrests for something he thought he should be able to do, or which was basically his only option for making a living, he may have simply had enough.
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Maybe so - that's about as plausible as him being fed up with his life and he decided to commit suicide by cop.

If you're suggesting that mostly-white 50-something well-to-do financial managers should just accept that some people are immune from prosecution under the laws all citizens live, you're talking to the wrong 50 something white guy. As I said previously, perhaps grand juries like this one are afraid of what the society they live in becomes if the police are handcuffed in doing their jobs. If more than the fringe have your view, they could be right.
 
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herenow1 said:
he put his hands up and said don't touch me. He verbally resisted not physically. they didn't even attempt cpr when his body was limp on the stretcher.
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exactly !!!!
 
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Did he suffocate, or did he have a heart attack? I think this ruling says it was determined he had a heart attack, which had nothing to do with a choke hold.
 
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Texmex said:
This often happen when the police overreact, remember Rodney King. It's hard to be still while you think you're being beaten to death. Now, we seem to be having a rash of police misconduct. Or it could be that people are getting tired of police tactics.
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Maybe people shouldn't resist arrest. I realize that doesn't fit your narrative.
 
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Fenton said:
Is that all there is to the story ?

Had the guy not been caught before doing the same thing?

And why wouldn't someone who was breaking the law be arrested ?
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Wouldn't it be easier to just give the man a ticket? He's not committing any violence and he's not a threat to anyone.
 
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Tettsuo said:
Why were they arresting him in the first place? Selling "loosey" is not an offense that warrants arrest.
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Good point. New York City has moved toward decriminalization of marijuana, yet these policemen killed this man for selling cigarettes, typical police overreaction.
 
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When Fox News says the cops used excessive force, that says a lot !
 
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herenow1 said:
He put his hands up and said don't touch me. He verbally resisted not physically. They didn't even attempt CPR when his body was limp on the stretcher.
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It makes no difference. Its resisting.

People cannot simply raise their hands and say " don't touch me " and then dictate the terms of their arrest

Thats not how it works.

Your putting the lives of the Officers and the public in danger by making it more difficult to apprehend a potentially dangerous individual.
 
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herenow1 said:
He put his hands up and said don't touch me. He verbally resisted not physically. They didn't even attempt CPR when his body was limp on the stretcher.
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The cop should be charged and put in prison.
 
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Fenton said:
It makes no difference. Its resisting.

People cannot simply raise their hands and say " don't touch me " and then dictate the terms of their arrest

Thats not how it works.

Your putting the lives of the Officers and the public in danger by making it more difficult to apprehend a potentially dangerous individual.
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Cops saying that they need to arrest you now, there way or you might die is bull****.
 
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Fenton said:
It makes no difference. Its resisting.

People cannot simply raise their hands and say " don't touch me " and then dictate the terms of their arrest

Thats not how it works.

Your putting the lives of the Officers and the public in danger by making it more difficult to apprehend a potentially dangerous individual.
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And how was THIS guy a threat to the public??
 
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Tettsuo said:
Wouldn't it be easier to just give the man a ticket? He's not committing any violence and he's not a threat to anyone.
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YES! Why clog the system, waste tax payer money, endanger people, etc. over this crap. It is the same strong arm tactics that see cops arresting people for not signing a speeding ticket. They have the personal info... send them a fine. :roll:
 
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Tettsuo said:
Wouldn't it be easier to just give the man a ticket? He's not committing any violence and he's not a threat to anyone.
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Seems like it yes, but from what I understand this guy had a History of doing this.

Makes no difference anyway.

As soon as a Police Officer says your'e under arrest or " put your hands behind your back " thats it.

You comply. If you were wrongly detained you settle that in Court.
 
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Erod said:
Did he suffocate, or did he have a heart attack? I think this ruling says it was determined he had a heart attack, which had nothing to do with a choke hold.
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If it were not for the choke hold, and subsequent take down, he wouldn't have experienced a heart attack. I push you, caused you to fall and strike your head on the edge of a curb. The blow caused you to have a bleed in the brain, killing you hours later. Can I really say I didn't kill you?
 
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Fenton said:
Is that all there is to the story ?

Had the guy not been caught before doing the same thing?

And why wouldn't someone who was breaking the law be arrested ?
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Now you're fishing for reasons to justify this killing. Predictable. It doesn't matter what the video shows, you will dig deep to back these reckless policemen. Like I said, predictable.
 
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Erod said:
Maybe people shouldn't resist arrest. I realize that doesn't fit your narrative.
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Maybe people shouldn't be getting arrested for such stupid things... tickets and fines work. But I bet that doesn't fit your narrative.
 
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herenow1 said:
And how was THIS guy a threat to the public??
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Who knows and thats not the issue here anyway.

The issue was he was put under arrest, resisted and lost his life.
 
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Just saw the video for the first time. How the grand jury came to that conclusion is beyond me.
 
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Erod said:
Did he suffocate, or did he have a heart attack? I think this ruling says it was determined he had a heart attack, which had nothing to do with a choke hold.
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Yeah... because being in a violent choke hold gasp for breath and fearing for your life wouldn't induce a heart attack... :lol:
 
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Erod said:
Maybe people shouldn't resist arrest. I realize that doesn't fit your narrative.
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Keep backing these killers. You're just like Fenton.

These types of police actions need to be dealt with. Perhaps with enough media attention, and with help of the White House and Congress, something can finally be done about this travesty.
 
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Fenton said:
Seems like it yes, but from what I understand this guy had a History of doing this.

Makes no difference anyway.

As soon as a Police Officer says your'e under arrest or " put your hands behind your back " thats it.

You comply. If you were wrongly detained you settle that in Court.
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**** them. They can take their alpha-male, bully attitude and stick it up their ass as far as I'm concerned.

I generally side with the cops. But not on this one. I can't believe these Rambo wannabe's got away with this. Well, actually, I can.

It won't be long before the populous starts shooting back if they don't get a grip on their dominance obsession. Homey don't play dat ****.

I'm glad I'm a law abiding citizen and I don't have to cow-tow to these mother****ers.
 
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