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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    In my view, the contributing factors are relevant but they are not dismissive of the officer's role in the man's death. If a person with a heart condition is punched by another person and dies, the person throwing the punch is still guilty of his role in the death of the other person because failing the punch, the other person may not have died for years to come. It's the same principle behind if you punch someone and they lose their balance and fall, banging their head on the pavement and then suffer brain damage from the fall and die. Your punch didn't directly cause the brain damage, but you contributed to the final result and are therefore partially responsible.
    I agree but the first "illegal" act was resisting arrest (well actually it was selling "loose" cigarettes to an undercover officer) so if we are playing the which came first game the blame still originates with the perp and not the officers trying to arrest him.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

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    Are you making an effort to goad me Hay?

    What is it about civilians being in control of the government's ability to prosecute people, part of the tradition of a free people that is intended to prevent a police state, that has you confused?

    And you were a teacher? Those poor children.

    You already know my opinion of you. It remains low. You, and people like you have the pretensions of wanting liberty and justice but without all the mess of having real people involved. A grand jury, something a teacher of government ought to be familiar with, reviewed the evidence the prosecutor had and they determined that the government did not have sufficient evidence to charge anyone with a crime.

    And you hate that result. Many who have the heart of a tyrant do.
    I love how people who pretend to believe in liberty and freedom voice opinions aligning them with the virtues of a police state.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    why

    is that not a crime?

    had he not been arrested over 30 times prior for the exact same thing?

    do you want this to be a country of laws, or a country of lawlessness

    we can go back to the old west.....but a lot of you wont like either.......arguments settled by firearms in the middle of the street

    similar to what happens in chicago neighborhoods every weekend

    he broke laws.....he resisted arrest.....they tried to take him into custody

    stop being a criminal, and stop being a dumbass, and the police will leave your ass alone


    You should remove that "libertarian" from your political lean.


    What law did he specifically break in this incident? What was he charged with? What was he doing?

    Please link to his "30 convictions".

    Police claim he was selling LOOSE cigarettes. He had a single pack of untaxed cigarettes on him (remember 59% of all cigarettes in the city are bootleg).




    Remember he was supposedly selling loose cigarettes. here is the law:



    Criminal Sale of Untaxed Cigarettes (NY State Tax Law § 1814) | New York Criminal Defense Blawg

    "(b) Any person, other than an agent licensed by the commissioner, who
    possesses or transports for the purpose of sale any unstamped or
    unlawfully stamped packages of cigarettes subject to tax imposed by
    section four hundred seventy-one of this chapter, or who sells or offers
    for sale unstamped or unlawfully stamped packages of cigarettes in
    violation of the provisions of article twenty of this chapter shall be
    guilty of a misdemeanor. Any person who violates the provisions of this
    subdivision after having previously been convicted of a violation of
    this subdivision within the preceding five years shall be guilty of a
    class E felony."





    Read it, in order for it to be considered a misdemeanor, it would have to be the second time and he would have to be selling packs. so, this guy was attacked, wrassled to the ground and killed because of single cigarettes and a single pack of untaxed cigarettes that is hardly even a misdemeanor.



    It's no worse, ****, its less than a reckless driving ticket. if you accidentally get stopped for doing 30 over the limit, should you be dragged out of your car and killed?


    I don't think so.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Where in that link does it say he was breaking up a fight? He was approached by undercover officers because he was known to sell illegal merchandise. He recognized them as cops and decided to "fight back".

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, he had been arrested 31 times preciously for selling illegal cigs. He was first approached by an undercover officer looking to make it 32 when Garner decided he'd had enough of the police.
    Link to the now "31" times.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    I love how people have a pompous almost superior attitude bc this guy had priors. They're so focused on some minor tickets that they forget that this man was married for 27 yrs, had 6 kids and grandkids that he was trying to provide for. These same people who point out the "he's no angel" argument to justify his killing, also didn't do their research on this cop who isn't an angel either.

    If you watched a prostitute get raped and killed on camera, would you throw her past out there too? You know, to make her look worse and her killer look better?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The fact that the GJ didn't even so much as bring forward a manslaughter charge shows that it wasn't considered. C'mon tres. You can't be blind to what happened here. Police tried to arrest a guy for selling bootleg cigarettes. He was handled in a way banned by the NYPD. There was no evidence he was selling bootleg cigarettes. Guy is now dead and a ****ty police officer is probably on paid leave.

    Manslaughter means there is intent without premeditaion.

    They would have had to prove that the officer intended to take his life.

    So it's no wonder they did not even consider the lesser Manslaughter charge.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Manslaughter means there is intent without premeditaion.

    They would have had to prove that the officer intended to take his life.

    So it's no wonder they did not even consider the lesser Manslaughter charge.
    I think it most states a reckless disregard for the person's life is all that is required for manslaughter with or without intention to do harm.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
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    something's gone terribly wrong in my country. This isn't the freedom I fought for.

    Yea, telling a Officer" everytime you see me you try to arrest me, It stops today " is a sure fire way to get yourself arrested.

    He effectively communicated to the Officers that there was going to be a confrontation.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Manslaughter means there is intent without premeditaion.

    They would have had to prove that the officer intended to take his life.

    So it's no wonder they did not even consider the lesser Manslaughter charge.


    NY considers both voluntary and involuntary, the latter which the "mens rea" does not require "malice aforethought".
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