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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dont know...do you? He resisted arrest and died...remember? It didnt go to trial. What we DO know is that the officer observed what he determined to be criminal behavior (on charges similar to some of the 30 prior convictions he had).
    So because he "resisted" (I use this term EXTREMELY loosely, based on the tape; his "resistance" endangered nobody and was token at worst), that renders the question of whether the attempted arrest was justified moot?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, he didn't.
    Well then...the suspect REALLY ****ed up then, didnt he?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Well then...the suspect REALLY ****ed up then, didnt he?
    You define resisting arrest in a really stupid way.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So because he "resisted" (I use this term EXTREMELY loosely, based on the tape; his "resistance" endangered nobody and was token at worst), that renders the question of whether the attempted arrest was justified moot?
    Feel free to ask that question of law enforcement.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    On one last note before I go to bed, when Henrin and I are in complete agreement, hell hath officially frozen over.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You define resisting arrest in a really stupid way.


    OK then.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You can find Garner's criminal background reporting his 30 previous arrests with a google search and find a number of references.
    Here is one reported by CBS-NY on Ramsey Orta.
    Man Who Recorded Garner Arrest Pleads Not Guilty To Gun Charges CBS New York



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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    watched the video
    read the reports
    read many articles
    read the coroner and medical reports

    this should go to trial for sure

    if innocents remains after the trial, fine but it not going to trial is an injustice IMO and VERY concerning
    also want to add since the choke hold was illegal on video there seems to be no real care for his health (cpr etc) is even MORE reason to "AT LEAST" go to trial

    I know what they decided but what opinions are here as to why this isnt even worthy of trial? based on all the above?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    As did all of the other factors listed in the coroner's report. Absent those other factors then the brief use of force would not have been fatal.
    In my view, the contributing factors are relevant but they are not dismissive of the officer's role in the man's death. If a person with a heart condition is punched by another person and dies, the person throwing the punch is still guilty of his role in the death of the other person because failing the punch, the other person may not have died for years to come. It's the same principle behind if you punch someone and they lose their balance and fall, banging their head on the pavement and then suffer brain damage from the fall and die. Your punch didn't directly cause the brain damage, but you contributed to the final result and are therefore partially responsible.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I agree - it was an accident. I don't see the police trying to kill this guy purposefully - and that is why there are laws such as negligent homicide and various levels of manslaughter on the books for just such an event. I'm not looking to nail this cop - only give him his day in court and let a jury decide if he just did his job or if he did his job badly and aiding in the death of a suspect. Reasonable no?
    In a way, a trial is a way for the community to comment on levels of use of force in such situations and what they find reasonable and acceptable. It provides police with oversight outside of their ranks. It's the way society passes judgement on both the law and the actions of people. It's why jury nullification is important - it tells government the law is flawed. If, during a very public trial, the jury found this officer guilty of some lesser crime contributing to the man's death, it would be instructive to other officers in such situations. Such checks on police are valuable, in my view.
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