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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    "WE understand it is against their policy. And the one who used it will probably face discipline.

    Can you do a bit more research and show that it is a crime?"
    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It's a nonsensical question. It's like asking if it is a crime to hit or kick someone. Yes. No. Maybe. It depends on the situation.
    You should have simply said, "No MisterVeritis, I cannot show that it is a crime to use that particular hold."

    Is it a crime to hit or kick someone? Are you certain you cannot find a statute anywhere that says it is a crime to hit or kick someone?

    LOL. Let's try an easy one. Can you find your ass with both hands?

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "Those with tyrannical hearts always speak this way.

    Civilians, members of the community, saw the evidence the prosecutor had and determined there was insufficient evidence to prove a crime had occurred. I trust non-governmental civilians. They get it right most of the time. "


    Cool. I am extreme because I support a lawful grand jury process. I suppose I agree with you. It is clear that I am extreme because I actually support a civil society built on lawful conduct designed to prevent tyranny at any level by government officials.

    Now what were you saying? And wipe the dribble off your chin.


    Lot's of things do not seem right. A fat man with asthma die while resisting arrest for petty crimes. Too bad.

    Not only are you not familiar with the evidence it was not your responsibility. It was the responsibility of a specific grand jury. They reviewed the evidence and determined there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone with a crime.
    Insulting other posters means that you know you have lost the argument.

    I hope I never end up being a person who is sarcastic about someone dying, as you are. THAT is sad.

    I respect Grand Juries, of course. But it is our duty to keep an eye out on our justice system for any injustices. It is YOUR duty, too. You choose not to, and that's your choice.

    We are all adults. Sometimes we know in our gut, based on life experiences, that something isn't right. I can also see the video and SEE before my eyes a man dying, surrounded by peope who don't care. All of which is over what is a misdemeanor, if he even did anything. I didn't see him selling cigarettes in that video. I don't have all the facts. Neither do you. The difference is that I admit it and take that into account.

    Not saying the GJ decision is wrong. But, as someone who fully supported the no-bill indictment of Wilson for the Brown death, I find this incident very different and very disturbing.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You can just do chest compressions until EMS arrives. I've shown that 4% is low, and one thing that drags that number down is that CPR is performed in cases where it wouldn't be helpful, but even if it was 1%, who gives a ****? Do it. Why wouldn't you?

    1% is a lot better than no percent. All day I take 1% over no percent.
    Yeah. Once you start you have to keep going until someone with greater authority comes by and takes over.

    I never said I would not do it. I have done it. Once.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Thats not true. If you are innocent you can resist arrest. You may end up hurt or killed. But you can still do it. You know its illegal for a cop to assualt or detain you for no reason right? You know its legal for you to shoot a swat team if they break into your house unjustified and unanounced right? It may be smarter for your overall safety to comply but it isnt a requirement. The fault chain truly begins with assault by the cops against a non-violent. With 5 officers there is NO REASON to choke the man with a lethal manuever. So what? it would have taken them an extra minute to get the cuffs on without the choke.

    If a cop says "you are under arrest!" and you haven't committed a crime then the cop is the beginning of fault.
    You know what, I learned something today. I didn't know that resisting arrest under some circumstances and in some states is legal, but upon looking it up, it seems that's the case.

    Reading more about it, though, I also learned that an arrest made in error is not unlawful if the officer's belief that the arrest was lawful was reasonable.

    In this case, the arrest was reasonable, because the man was breaking the law by selling contraband cigarettes.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    If the police checked bags coming into at both airports in NYC I have NO doubt they could make THOUSANDS - if not tens of thousands - of TAX EVADER!!! arrests over out of state cigarettes. Set up cigarette searches at the New Jersey border would result in another tens of thousands per day.

    Why don't the police arrest all the beggars who are everywhere in NYC who don't have a panhandler's license? At least that old father of 6 was trying to earn his 50 cents.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You know what, I learned something today. I didn't know that resisting arrest under some circumstances and in some states is legal, but upon looking it up, it seems that's the case.

    Reading more about it, though, I also learned that an arrest made in error is not unlawful if the officer's belief that the arrest was lawful was reasonable.

    In this case, the arrest was reasonable, because the man was breaking the law by selling contraband cigarettes.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Choking someone in self defense is not illegal. Police are not barred from using chokeholds by law. They barred by NYPD policy.
    There was no self defense... The cops were the one assualting. **** you wanna be word-smiths are annoying.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Yeah. Once you start you have to keep going until someone with greater authority comes by and takes over.

    I never said I would not do it. I have done it. Once.
    You've done it before? Wow. I've never been in a position to, but I bet it's weird and a bit scary.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Homicide EXACTLY means the person was killed by another person or persons. You are arguing with the coroner's finding, not what "homicide" means.
    I mean, we can see pretty clearly in the video that the man died due to the struggle with the officers, I don't know what you think you're proving here. That's all the coroner is saying, and nobody is disagreeing with it.

    Where we disagree is that I believe the officers used reasonable force and that the man's death was caused by the use of that reasonable force coupled with pre-existing health conditions.

    The coroner has said nothing contrary to that.

    The video tells you everything you need to know. A healthy individual would not have died from being tackled.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "WE understand it is against their policy. And the one who used it will probably face discipline.

    Can you do a bit more research and show that it is a crime?"

    You should have simply said, "No MisterVeritis, I cannot show that it is a crime to use that particular hold."

    Is it a crime to hit or kick someone? Are you certain you cannot find a statute anywhere that says it is a crime to hit or kick someone?

    LOL. Let's try an easy one. Can you find your ass with both hands?
    You have no clue what you're posting. it is not a crime to hit or kick someone. It is only a crime to illegally hit or kick someone. Its not illegal to shoot someone either. It is only illegal to illegally shoot someone.

    Tell me, when was the last time you read of a martial arts class, football game or boxing match raided by the police? You post pointless and wrong messages.

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