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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
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    HIV and AIDS can be passed through mouth to mouth? C'man, stop with the ducking and dodging. Which exotic diseases could he have passed through the mouth?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It isn't illegal. It was banned by the NYPD.

    (Info just fed to me by Mr. B who called his sister's husband who just retired after 17 years with NYPD) - please confirm on internet if this info is false. My BIL said people who keep calling it "illegal" are wrong, it's not "illegal" just prohibited by the NYPD.
    Soooo.. You are arguing choking someone (a inherently lethal move) isnt illegal? So if I put someone under citizens arrest for a crime (like jay walking or something) and choke them till they die then I wont be proscecuted? I mean.. you are saying that choking someone isnt illegal... so it must not be or what?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    He died because his heart stopped, not because he couldn't breath. Now, choking him was a likely factor in his heart stopping...stress kills fat people. It's a fact.


    Also a fact?


    Resisting arrest, no matter the offense, can, and likely WILL, result in violence, and a continuing escalation of such until either all of them, or you, are dead. There is no other option.


    Cops should, what? Let unhealthy people go? Sit around for five hours trying to reason with unreasonable people? Cops get paid by the hour, folks. Should they negotiate with the people they intend to arrest? "Oh, sorry, sir, you DON'T want these cuffs? Well, I'll tell you what...you don't tell anyone about this, and I'll just let you right on in the back of my car, ok? Just for you."



    Here's the facts. This guy clearly broke a rule, no matter how insignificant. He was placed under arrest for the, what, 30th time? He resisted. He did not comply with the orders issued him by the arresting officer. The officer then proceeded to use force, to which, he resisted that as well. The force escalated. Again, what you want the cops to do? Apologize? Let him go? But only those that REALLY don't want to get arrested, and only if it's not a serious crime?

    You have a problem with the law he broke, take that up with those that write them, and more importantly, those that vote in those that write them...not the people charged with enforcing them.

    From what I've read the coroner ruled that neck and chest compression where the primary causes of death. His heart condition, weight and asthma were contributing factors.

    It's Aldo not clear from the reports I've read that Garner was actually breaking any laws at the time. The police knew him and may have simply approached him based on his priors.

    The cop clearly violated NYPD policy. He should lose both his job and his pension for it. The city will settle the inevitable lawsuit and the taxpayers will be out millions.

    And NY did not burn.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There was no way for police officers to know that an morbidly obese older man was not physically fit enough to be tackled by multiple men, chocked and his head pressed into the concrete - and his saying he couldn't breathe certainly could be considered merely a tactical lie by the man hoping to make a counter attack. (that's a sneering statement).

    What is MOST important is his 6 children and grandchildren are explained how evil and stupid their father was and why he had to die, which really their father deciding to commit suicide by cop.

    Would it fair to estimate his child and his wife will hate all police officers down to the marrow of their bones for the rest of their lives?

    This shouldn't have happened. Murder? No. Off the charts? Absolutely.

    However, there is the police union, so even discipline strictly prohibited.

    The man's mistake - if he was selling one cigarette at a time where they are taxed to the point to being only a rich man's luxury in NYC - was he tried to earn a living. Really, he should have been collecting disability and staying home - unless out protesting for more benefits.
    So for you then it is Too Big To Fail and Too Fat to Be Arrested.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Soooo.. You are arguing choking someone (a inherently lethal move) isnt illegal? So if I put someone under citizens arrest for a crime (like jay walking or something) and choke them till they die then I wont be proscecuted? I mean.. you are saying that choking someone isnt illegal... so it must not be or what?
    Choking someone in self defense is not illegal. Police are not barred from using chokeholds by law. They barred by NYPD policy.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Too big to fail. Too fat to be arrested?
    People are different. Unhealthy people are treated differently than healthy, young people. You can be arrested if you're unhealthy. Just not pushed face down on your big stomache on the pavement, with a chokehold around your neck, and policemen sitting on your back. That's a sure way to kill an asthmatic, unhealthy, morbily obese person. Which is what happened.

    I could see the danger as soon as they pushed him down. Why didn't they? Unfamiliar with unhealthy or large people?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Someone is dead.

    Over a stupid offense that shouldn't even be an arrestable crime.

    Enjoy your police state.
    You will have to take up your concerns about New York City with New York City. I hold no sway over the liberal democrat nanny state that is ensconced there.

    Why would you think it is my police state? Have you run out of interesting things to say?

    It would be a police state if people like you got your way and could overturn a Grand Jury decision.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The people that sit on this jury must be police officers.

    If ever there was a case of manslaughter, this was it.
    Remember a Grand Jury only hears what a prosecutor wants and prosecutors don't charge policemen for killing while on duty PERIOD. They are his friends and colleges and it would create bad blood between them. The system is rigged to protect police. Here in Ft. Meyers FL a cop was texting when he ran over and killed a 12 year old on a bike. No charges were filed and the kid was white too. Don't kid yourself. Cops have a license to kill just like 007 did. The scary part is that they know it too.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    To clarify something often wrongly said.

    The tax on a single cigarette in NYC is 29 1/4 cents each - not a nickel. The per pack tax (20 cigarettes) is $5.85. The tax on little cigars is $4.35.

    NYC is a city - more than any other in the USA - that admires wealth and punishes the poor - such is the faux "liberal" stronghold. Smoking is a rich person's luxury like so much else in NYC.

    For a person who smokes 1 pack of cigarettes a day (an average for smokers - if not more) - that person pays $175 per month just in taxes - or $2,100 per year in taxes. It is not a progressive tax.

    Adding the cost of the cigarettes themselves, cigarette smokers in NYC pay around $350 per month (over $10 per day) for 1 pack of cigarettes per day.

    This is BIG money for government, but also cigarette running and smuggling is both big business, little business as just part of being a New Yorker. If every New Yorker who brought in cigarettes from other states was arrested, there would be a million arrests.

    Then again, he was an OMG tax evader! Or was he? If he bought the cigarette packs in NYC then he wouldn't be, or so it's seem.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Why'd he tackle that cop? That eye gouge tho...
    He thought the guy on the ground was being arrested for no reason so he sucker punched the cop.
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