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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    WE understand it is against their policy. And the one who used it will probably face discipline.

    Can you do a bit more research and show that it is a crime?
    Someone is dead.

    Over a stupid offense that shouldn't even be an arrestable crime.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I've already responded to someone about this saying easily was the wrong word - I just mean easily as in it's easy to do and it is helpful. It could have saved his life.
    I do not believe so. It might have saved the life of a healthy, fit 20 year old. This guy carried two hundred pounds of fat. He was walking dead.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sure we do.

    Black guy on street accused of petty crap. A gang of white officers kill him with one sneaking up behind him using an illegal choke hold on him which had been barred for decades. Thats a very complete picture.

    New York state must be one really badass place when you can get the death penalty for selling loose cigarettes.
    I am certain you will not mind if I simply ignore your foolish remarks.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes it is, and I carefully explained to you that in the field, it rarely makes any difference, because you don't have access to drugs, defibs, pacers, oxygen, iv fluids, intubation trays, and the rest of the emergency management equipment that you need. And yes, laissez faire. It's a routine procedure to me. There's nothing mysterious about it, and if everything is perfect and available at the moment of death, you still have a small chance.
    I showed you already that the statistics say it's better than you are making it out to be. And a small chance is always better than no chance. Here's a study on the survival rates of CPR performed in-hospital:

    In-hospital cardiopulmonary resuscitation: a 30-year review. - PubMed - NCBI
    Patients younger than 70 years of age had a success rate of 16.2 percent... 1.6 percent of successfully resuscitated patients had a permanent neurological impairment.
    Those are the best conditions, of course, but the police are trained, and EMS was there shortly after, and I would imagine they have some equipment and drugs that could have proved helpful as well. Why would you ever not perform CPR though? That seems insane to me. As this article put it:

    Code Blue: What Makes a Difference?
    The goal of CPR is simple: The right patients need to be resuscitated and they need to be resuscitated right.
    The chances of survival drop 7-10% for every minute CPR is not performed. There were 4 minutes before EMS arrived that police could have been doing that. Then, EMS did not perform CPR and strapped him onto a stretcher. I would think you'd be horrified by that. http://www.clinicalcorrelations.org/?p=5623

    If you can show me that he had an infinitely small chance of surviving without brain damage, I might be able to see where you are coming from.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    He didn't have a heart attack when he was breaking up the fight! The cops caused his death. There is no question of that.
    Perhaps they simply gave him that final helping hand.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    WE understand it is against their policy. And the one who used it will probably face discipline.

    Can you do a bit more research and show that it is a crime?
    It's a nonsensical question. It's like asking if it is a crime to hit or kick someone. Yes. No. Maybe. It depends on the situation.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    From my training from some time ago I was going to say less than 4% survive under the best of circumstances. A four hundred pounder is not likely to survive a heart attack. Plus he might have carried some exotic disease. At least mouth to mouth is discouraged now.

    Oh, in my one real event the man died. I think he was dead before I turned him over. There was no there, there, in his eyes. Fortunately EMT arrived before I started mouth to mouth. From the time I saw him drop to their arrival was less than a couple of minutes. He weighed at least half again more than me.
    You can just do chest compressions until EMS arrives. I've shown that 4% is low, and one thing that drags that number down is that CPR is performed in cases where it wouldn't be helpful, but even if it was 1%, who gives a ****? Do it. Why wouldn't you?

    1% is a lot better than no percent. All day I take 1% over no percent.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I am certain you will not mind if I simply ignore your foolish remarks.
    I love how people who pretend to believe in liberty and freedom voice opinions aligning them with the virtues of a police state.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem people have with this is that manslaughter should have been considered.... and it wasn't.
    How do you know what the grand jury considered? All we know is that they did what all grand juries do. they evaluated the prosecutors evidence and determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge someone with a crime.

    Maybe we will have the opportunity to see the grand jury reviewed evidence.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I do not believe so. It might have saved the life of a healthy, fit 20 year old. This guy carried two hundred pounds of fat. He was walking dead.
    You are walking dead. Everyone is walking dead. Your message is pointless.

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