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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Can you provide a link to show that the hold the officer used was illegal?
    I could have 6 hours ago but it seems that information has since been removed from a NY Post article and Wikipedia article under Death of Eric Garner. So maybe it isn't and I was misinformed? This is really strange. And if I have put out bad data, I do apologize. I'll keep checking .....

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You don't think so? It seems pretty obvious. If you do something that causes another person to die who otherwise wouldn't have, you can be charged with some sort of homicide.
    No, I don't think so. The case I found the guy had a heart attack caused by a prank. The so called killer on the other hand got charged with first degree murder. Yeah, real intent to kill on that one.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
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    Yes it is illegal in NYC to use the chokehold. The officer was stripped of his badge and gun for that action.
    You have made this claim several times. Do you have a link to show it is against the law?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You don't think so? It seems pretty obvious. If you do something that causes another person to die who otherwise wouldn't have, you can be charged with some sort of homicide.
    Like Zimmerman?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yes, you are not the only person on the forum who believes that anything but instance and absolute submission to government authority is an automatic death sentence - or at least a beating sentence. You are not the only person here who equates government to God.
    Nice straw man argument there. I never said anything of the sort.

    The police didn't set out to kill this man, and they didn't beat him. They restrained him forcefully because he was RESISTING.

    He died because he had health issues that were not immediately apparent.

    This is tragic, but some of you are implying malice when there was none.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I know what you meant. I just think the whole incident could have been avoided. How many times does a guy on the ground being restrained by 4 or more cops have to say he can't breathe before the cop who killed him takes another approach to his restraint technique?
    Didn't he weigh (live weight) about 400 pounds? And he was resisting arrest. And now you are wondering why several police officers chose to help to get him on the ground and under control?

    Dead he probably weighed less.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Of-course he should have been arrested, he broke the law.


    Just how did he break the law?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Huh? I don't think you've read my posts in this thread my friend. I didn't say I agree that the cop is not culpable of something here. I don't really care about the bootleg cigs. I asked what the charges were the GJ was supposed to consider, that's all. I asked because I don't know. I know what the Ferguson GJ was asked to consider.
    And I responded... the fact that they didn't even think this was a case of manslaughter is a pretty big indication that they didn't consider manslaughter. I think I should have made my statement clearer. I used consider as a synonym for find.

    My husband just said this cop was suspended without pay in July according to everything he's heard on the news and read on the net?
    This is from July:

    NYPD Cop in Chokehold Death Loses Gun, Badge - ABC News

    Police Commissioner Bill Bratton had announced Friday that the cop and his partner were on "desk duty," but they still had their guns and shields.
    He's been getting paid.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I wasn't there, I didn't see what was going on, and I had no control over the situation, but no, I don't care either way. If there was a legal obligation for them to do so, I'm sure that will come out during the investigative process. But do I care? No. It was cops, not nurses.
    Isn't it important to start chest compressions as soon as possible on someone who isn't breathing? It doesn't seem like a subject to be laissez faire about.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I could have 6 hours ago but it seems that information has since been removed from a NY Post article and Wikipedia article under Death of Eric Garner. So maybe it isn't and I was misinformed? This is really strange. And if I have put out bad data, I do apologize. I'll keep checking .....
    It isn't illegal. It was banned by the NYPD.

    (Info just fed to me by Mr. B who called his sister's husband who just retired after 17 years with NYPD) - please confirm on internet if this info is false. My BIL said people who keep calling it "illegal" are wrong, it's not "illegal" just prohibited by the NYPD.
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