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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Are they releasing the testimonies like they did in the Fergie case?
    I hope so. The tape doesn't look good at all. But the testimonies may be different. Just from looking at the tape, the "chokehold" didn't look tight enough to choke him. Plus, as I've always learned from Marine Corps Martial Arts, if you're talking you're breathing. He was saying "I can't breath." If he can talk, he's pulling air in. I've heard he had some medical issues like asthma so that was probably what put it over the edge. Of course, the medical examiners stupid cause of death (homicide) didn't help.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Civil Rights violations are a serious matter.
    LOL.

    Sure. If one is trying to nationalize the local police forces I suppose it is as good a tool as anything.

    Do you think he died because he was black? What civil right was being violated? Was it the right to sell cigarettes on the street? If so we agree that the right response to this is a tax revolt.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Chase View Post
    So why was the pressure not released from his neck once that had "control" of him/the situation?

    Heck...why was a air restriction hold used in the first place?
    I sure can't answer that, except apparently we've lowered height restrictions a bit too much in the name of diversity...
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Because no one cries for "thugs"? *shrugs*
    He did not look like a thug. He was just a common, small time criminal.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    "Members of the New York City Police Department will NOT use chokeholds. A chokehold shall include, but is not limited to, any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air...

    ...If a person appears to be having difficulty breathing or is otherwise demonstrating life-threatening symptoms, medical assistance will be requested IMMEDIATELY." (NYPD Patrol Guide, 203-11, emphasis in original)


    All you folks who stick up for the cops because they were arresting someone for doing something wrong....but you seem to conveniently forget that the cops were breaking their own rules.

    Hypocrisy......
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    (Do not) try this; have someone place you in a choke hold and see if you can breathe. I'll bet you get out a few "I can't breathe" statements before passing out, or maybe dying.

    The point is he can't breathe now, can he? Who made that happen?
    After my unsuccessful efforts at elbow licking I actually had my husband just do this (he thinks I'm nuts, but did it anyway). He didn't do it really hard either obviously. I actually couldn't get any statements out. When I couldn't breathe in, there was nothing to expend out. Granted he probably didn't do it the same way as what happened to this guy but no I wasn't able to speak. I had to stomp my foot. Now I'm dizzy too.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    A very fat man resists arrest and dies of a heart attack while being arrested.
    This, although crudely put, is more or less how I see it as well.

    It's unfortunate and tragic, especially due to the family he leaves behind and due to the fact that this crime was so minor, but I'm not inclined to want to pursue criminal charges against anyone on account of this.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    As I recall, none were performed until paramedics arrived many minutes later. Without even doing the breathing part, simple chest compressions alone could have easily saved this man.

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    Actually, EMS workers apparently did not perform CPR either??? Not sure.
    Easily? Are you EMT trained? Do we have anyone here who can tell us how often someone is restored, who has died from two decades of stupidity, by chest compressions?

    My American Red Cross Training has aged but from memory the chances of restoring someone are very, very small.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    In this article discussing the low return on investment of CPR, it has these statistics:



    Those are solid enough for me. And in those cases, they were performed by bystanders who probably have received little to no training. Obviously technique is important:



    I'm sorry, but I'm going to remain pro-CPR.
    Who says I'm anti-cpr. I've been doing CPR for 30 years, and I'm ACLS certified. I'm just telling you that the success rates aren't impressive, and frankly, your links show that to be the case. Discharged from the hospital doesn't mean in good condition. It means they survived physically. Like I said, I've only seen one person (out in the field) who survived it with his mind totally intact, and he was physically screwed by the paralysis afterward.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I hope so. The tape doesn't look good at all. But the testimonies may be different. Just from looking at the tape, the "chokehold" didn't look tight enough to choke him. Plus, as I've always learned from Marine Corps Martial Arts, if you're talking you're breathing. He was saying "I can't breath." If he can talk, he's pulling air in. I've heard he had some medical issues like asthma so that was probably what put it over the edge. Of course, the medical examiners stupid cause of death (homicide) didn't help.
    Just posted below that I had my husband chokehold me for a few seconds. i couldn't utter a sound because there was no air to pull in and i had exhaled before. yes he was getting air in that hold. not that I think it was right but it wasn't cutting off his breathing.
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