Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death
Maybe uncomfrotable. thats about it.
Agree with you about it being uncomfortable. Being made more difficult to breath is definitely uncomfortable
(though I know you disagree with me that such a thing happened here in the later case).
arm across throat his only leverage is his bicep, in that position which he has none, so it's not chocking his windpipe, evidenced by his screams ironically of "i can't breath"
Granted, I haven't seen the video so I can't speak well to his words. If he was literally screaming, then my belief that it looks like that he not only failed at the blood choke, but didn't even have a good air choke due to not having a flush pressure point was right. It doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't being choked in the sense of what an air choke does, but it would indicate he was being very ineffectually choked and not in any way that should've been able to cause significant damage to a moderately healthy individual. If he more gasping those comments, then I'd figure he had it on a bit tighter.
I guess part of it is what you're meaning with the word choking. Did he have it on in any way that would reasonably knock a moderately healthy person unconsious? I don't think so at all. Did he have it on in such a way that it potentially negatively impacted his intake of air? Yeah, I think that's absolutely possible from the picture that was posted.
and he's not paralell to the trachea, he's in a "V" which negates its effects.
That's where I was having a hard time truly being able to make out where the guys throat was in that picture. As I said, it looked like he didn't have a flush pressure point against the trachea, but rather that his bicep was slanted against it, like /
That makes for a significantly less effective, but not automatically completely ineffective, air choke, because you're not getting consistent pressure against the windpipe. You're still getting some pressure, so it's going to still inhibit breathing a bit and be somewhat painful...but it's not going to result in passing out in almost any normal case of it.
the choke he's attempting is a blood flow choke thats so bad it's closer to a wind choke.
Like I said, I haven't seen the video yet. But based on that picture, if I had to put money that was my guess. It looked like he was trying for a very traditional blood choke, and either was HORRIBLE at applying it correctly
OR the guy being choked managed to squirm out of it enough to wind up at that point.
One always taps for correctly applied chokes, or he can sleep on his mistake.
Only happened to me once thankfully...was a very neat and freaky experience. Got caught in a triangle at the end of a long evening of training, was trying to get out of it, and next thing I remember was the guy kneeling over me worriedly trying to get me to wake up and emploring the other guys near by "don't tell [my mom]" (I was 17 at the time I think, Mom helped with running Dad's school, and everyone knows the typical over protective mama
). Helped to give me a little bit of a laugh after the sleep.
One of those things that I was very glad to experience to know how it feels...and to know full well I don't want to feel that again.
I'm sure it was very uncomfortable, but his complaints of breathing issues, I can be sure it was due to the pressure applied by the other police.
I don't doubt that added to it as well, but I do think it's reasonable based on the picture I saw to think that the hold was causing him some dififculty breathing. STOPPING him from breathing? No. Making breathing more difficult? Yes. That, combined with pressure applied by the police, combined with his poor conditioning, combined with his health issues, combines to make a bad situation HORRIBLE; but one that probably is avoided if any of those factors is removed.
I have lots of new food pics, Im in the steak thread waxing bovine!
I need to go over and drool. Moved into a new house last year with a HORRENDOUS kitchen and first thing I did was renovated it. I've been in love with my new kitchen ever since. I finally have plenty of space for movement/prep/storage, a deck right off the kitchen to make grilling easier, and a wonderful new gas oven. Only thing missing is eventually getting one of your blasted eggs! But I should take this to another thread
