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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    He was given chest compressions. The cop compressed his throat and his chest, thereby killing him, which is a homicide.
    Right, well, those aren't exactly the types of chest compressions I was referring to. lol
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If you can't breath, you can't talk. This guy felt he couldn't breath because of chest compression . . . says Coroner MaggieD.
    Sure you can. Did you see the video?
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Garner swatted at the police and resisted arrest. This is a man who had been arrested 30 previous times. After thirty times, you think a person would know that isn't how one is to react. Most likely the reason he resisted is his ass was already in deep doo doo because he was out on bail over a number of criminal charges and selling black market cigarettes was one of them which he was busted by an undercover cop prior to his arrest.

    The cop that used the chokehold, an illegal move in New York City, almost immediately had his badge and gun stripped from him for his wrongdoing.

    Garner's massive heart attack had several factors. He had asthma, heart disease and obesity weighing in at almost 400 pounds.
    Can you provide a link to show that the hold the officer used was illegal?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He's dead because he's too fat, lazy and stupid to get a real job.
    The death penalty doesn't apply to that.

    And you, or any cop arresting someone for what should be a ticket should not be the executioner.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    He got more than a headache. Can you imagine the terror the man felt begging for his life ("I can't breathe", multiple times) with no affect?
    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Sure you can. Did you see the video?
    I did see the video. He said several times that he couldn't breath. My point, insignificant though it is, is that he could breath. If he couldn't breath? He couldn't TALK. Try it yourself. You'll find it's impossible...like licking your elbow.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Why isnt it illegal? It sure as hell seems illegal to me.
    I have no idea. Maybe it works just fine most of the time to subdue someone early in a confrontation, before they are able to hurt others or be injured themselves. Your feelings, while interesting, are not relevant.

    Choking someones neck is lethal force. The guy wasnt a threat so no justification of lethal force. They used lethal force by purposely targeting his neck. That sounds illegal to me even though everyone decided not to pursue the crime. If its ok for someone to use lethal force by choking someone to death for non-violently resisting arrest then why isnt it ok for a cop to shoot a person in the head for non-violent resistance? Because its wrong. As is choking someone.
    I suppose you really ought to gather some facts before posting.Or not. Really either way is fine.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This thread reveals we've got a bunch of members accustomed to running from the law in all manner of ways. Police are your boogeymen.
    Have you actually read the responses in this thread? The decision by the GJ has been criticized by far left wingers, tough on crime right wingers and libertarians. Who has defended it? The same 6-7 people who get accused of being closeted racists. Who else? The same 6-7 posters that will defend cops no matter the circumstance because of the bull**** line that they have a hard job to do.

    That you're trying to paint Goshin - a former cop - as someone who is accustomed to running from the law is pretty ****ing laughable if not downright ridiculous. What? Ockham is accustomed to running from the law? Digsbe too? What about notabene? PerfectStorm? Is he accustomed to running from the law? The Rev is accustomed to running from the law too? Μολὼν λαβέ is accustomed to running from the law? You're looking ridiculously silly in your assertion. Get the **** outta here with that bull**** before someone a little less restricted in their words decides to call you on it.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I did see the video. He said several times that he couldn't breath. My point, insignificant though it is, is that he could breath. If he couldn't breath? He couldn't TALK. Try it yourself. You'll find it's impossible...like licking your elbow.
    You of course realize I just tried to lick my elbow to see if you're right.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    He never once "swatted" or "smacked" the police. The cops grabbed at his arm and he tried to receed his arm. Dont lie. Its illegal to choke a person who doesnt pose a lethal threat to you.
    I said "swatted" not smacked. And yes he did. First he stood there and argued with them. He started backing up from them and swatted at them to push them away as they tried to arrest him.
    Yes it is illegal in NYC to use the chokehold. The officer was stripped of his badge and gun for that action.
    And for your information, the one that filmed the video that has gone viral was Garner's friend, Ramsey Orta.

    "The man who recorded a New York City police officer using a chokehold during the arrest of a man who later died in custody was arrested himself late Saturday on a gun charge.

    Ramsey Orta, 22, is charged with two counts of criminal possession of a weapon. Police said Orta had a previous weapon conviction that prohibited him from possessing a firearm. He is due in court this month on robbery charges stemming from a May arrest and an assault charge from an arrest July 14, according to court records."

    Man who recorded video of NYPD chokehold arrested on gun charge | Fox News

    Garner nor his friend that filmed the video are/were law abiding citizens.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Not likely. CPR in a hospital setting, when the patient is already there, and the crash is observed, already has a poor rate of success, and that's with availability of defibrillators, pacers, drugs, iv fluids, and high levels of oxygen. Ini the field, CPR has a VERY poor rate of success, and the longer it is delayed, the worse the prognosis.
    At first I was wondering why you were attacking CPR, but then I reread my post and noticed the word easily. Yes, that was poor wording. What I was trying to say was that it could have definitely saved his life. It may not have, but to keep the circulation of blood moving, and possibly provide some oxygen is certainly helpful.
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