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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Sunny Hostin, a black woman prosecutor who's commenting on CNN now on this issue, just made an interesting comment.

    She said she's been on the side of the push for cops to be outfitted with cameras so that when incidents happen there can be video of the events that courts and grand juries can see what happened and now we have this incident, fully videoed by a bystander, and it seems to have been irrelevant to the outcome of the grand jury.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Of violating procedure yes. Was he let off by the department for that?
    Police conduct hearing is pending, delayed until after the grand jury hearings.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Sunny Hostin, a black woman prosecutor who's commenting on CNN now on this issue, just made an interesting comment.

    She said she's been on the side of the push for cops to be outfitted with cameras so that when incidents happen there can be video of the events that courts and grand juries can see what happened and now we have this incident, fully videoed by a bystander, and it seems to have been irrelevant to the outcome of the grand jury.
    That's because video evidence, like all other kinds of evidence, is subject to interpretation.

    Body cameras ARE NOT going to be some kind of panacea.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    My thoughts with Garner's family. Not only was he tragically taken from them but there is no justice for them either.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Expected. Sad, but expected.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I forget cops do no wrong. Even when a video shows the police officer using a banned chokehold on someone resulting in his death. Your excuse, "ahh he was fat he was gonna die no matter what". Typical.
    Deliberate mischaracterization of events and what I posted or do you really think that way, omitting facts in evidence?

    There are a few things I would change generally about standard police procedure in most departments. The knee on the head and neck followed by "stop resisting" when the arrestee is just squirming in pain. I find that a bridge too far.

    But here you have a very, very unhealthy individual with a long history of the exact same crime being rightfully taken into custody and resisting with all his bulk.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As with Michael Brown, this man is another "gentle giant".
    Why do you bother to post messages that exactly 100% of everyone knows is 100% false and 100% show that your message is absolutely without intellectual integrity.

    Exactly NO ONE claims Michael Brown was "a gentle giant."

    Who are you trying to persuade, yourself?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    When he continued to resist arrest he became a threat.
    Non-compliant, and the only threat there were the cops.

    The cops primary focus in these situations is control. If the suspect appears to be on the verge of becoming uncontrollable then the cop is going to do something to regain that control. Ideally that escalation will be a stepped response and only enough force to regain control will be utilized. In my experience that's exactly what you saw in the video.

    They knew him, knew where he lived, in the "War against bootleg cigarattes" he was no kingpin.


    Unneeded enforcement resulted in this mans death by the guy with the sucky choke hold.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That's because video evidence, like all other kinds of evidence, is subject to interpretation.

    Body cameras ARE NOT going to be some kind of panacea.
    I agree - I'd be inclined to think cameras would cause police to act differently, and perhaps not always in a good way. It could cause them not to get involved.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The GJ may have decided that the man's poor health played a significant factor in his death and that it was a direct result of resisting arrest.





    N.Y. cop not indicted in chokehold death - CNN.com
    It's not hard for me to understand that obese people shouldn't even SLEEP on their stomach. I'd venture that his obesity contributed more than the chokehold to his demise. Chest compression is a physics law.

    PS -- If he can talk, he can breath. Probably induced an asthma attack.
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