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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Doesn't look like they tried to hurt him. Looks like they tried to tackle him and make the arrest, which is what they are supposed to do when someone resists arrest.

    It's not their job to negotiate with the guy. If he really didn't do anything wrong, the place to have that debate is at the police station.

    Yes, because that's what happens in city jail. They hold debates. It's like this forum, only in person.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Is anyone able to explain why no CPR or chest compressions were given?
    The chokehold and chest compressions are what killed him.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Sometimes ago I saw a Youtube video (probably in this forum)of a middle age white guy holding some kind of automatic rifle in his hand on the sidewalk of a busy street just loitering around. When the police was called by concerned citizen he was still standing there with his weapon and the officer took a long time and patiently reasoned to him across the street that he needs to put down the weapon and show his ID and permit so that the police could verify.

    It took a long time to get this uncooperative guy to finally cooperate. And there was no lethal tactics of any kind used against this guy for resisting police investigation.
    Yes! Finally someone else remembers this! Do you have a link to the video? I've been looking for it for a while.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What is the effect of cutting off the jugular vein for a few seconds? (I believe it might be a headache...maybe.)
    Depends. Some brains dont reboot and could lead to death in very few seconds. One man m ight be able to have the jugular cut off for 10-15 seconds and simply wake up groggy. Another could have it cut off for 2 seconds and die. The neck isnt meant to be squeezed. This guy had a good chance of living if someone rebooted his heart after he shut down.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What is the effect of cutting off the jugular vein for a few seconds? (I believe it might be a headache...maybe.)



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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What is the effect of cutting off the jugular vein for a few seconds? (I believe it might be a headache...maybe.)
    He got more than a headache. Can you imagine the terror the man felt begging for his life ("I can't breathe", multiple times) with no affect?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What is the effect of cutting off the jugular vein for a few seconds? (I believe it might be a headache...maybe.)
    That - and maybe death, though USUALLY not.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    "Those with tyrannical hearts always speak this way.

    Civilians, members of the community, saw the evidence the prosecutor had and determined there was insufficient evidence to prove a crime had occurred. I trust non-governmental civilians. They get it right most of the time. "
    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Your response, and the response you're responding to, represent the two extremes, neither of which know all of the evidence.
    Cool. I am extreme because I support a lawful grand jury process. I suppose I agree with you. It is clear that I am extreme because I actually support a civil society built on lawful conduct designed to prevent tyranny at any level by government officials.

    Now what were you saying? And wipe the dribble off your chin.

    I do find this no-indictment surprising. Something doesn't seem right. This is a guy selling ciggies w/o tax. Seems to me any policeman would not want to turn a minor infraction into a death-causing incident, esp. using a disallowed choke hold (disallowed because it kills people). I think I can guess why he felt he had to use it. But then again, we're talking about a guy selling ciggies w/o tax. Not a serious crime like running a red light.

    But I'm not familiar with all the evidence. I'd like to know more.
    Lot's of things do not seem right. A fat man with asthma die while resisting arrest for petty crimes. Too bad.

    Not only are you not familiar with the evidence it was not your responsibility. It was the responsibility of a specific grand jury. They reviewed the evidence and determined there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone with a crime.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    The chokehold and chest compressions are what killed him.
    He wasn't given chest compressions... and why would they kill him anyway? That makes no sense at all.

    4 Emergency Workers Put On Desk Duty In Eric Garner Case CBS New York
    About four minutes in, an EMT arrives asking the apparently unconscious Garner questions, and an officer tells him to answer but he still does not move, Smith reported.
    A couple of minutes later, Garner is lifted onto a stretcher.
    As CBS 2’s Steve Langford reported, Taisha Allen pulled out her phone to record the video of the father of six in custody.
    “It’s crazy, and I was like, ‘Perform CPR on him,’ and they was like, ‘He don’t need CPR, or whatever,’ and that he was not breathing at the time.”
    But officers said Garner was breathing.
    It's really the only thing I don't understand. Why? The cops should have done it before EMS arrive, and EMS certainly should have ****ing done it.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Yes! Finally someone else remembers this! Do you have a link to the video? I've been looking for it for a while.

    Would that be this video:
    http://youtu.be/lh_pfO92qB4

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