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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You object to the law. Fine. The right response is a tax revolt. We are Taxed Enough Already. Oh wait! Did I just do that? TEA Party. Now there is an idea whose time has come.

    He committed suicide over at least two decades. He was morbidly obese. Have you arrived at the position that police may not arrest anyone who chooses not to be arrested?

    Cool. That should help bring down what is left of the civil society.

    Arm up. You are going to need it.
    Are you saying its ok to choke non-violent fat people or something? I see no logic in your arguement.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He's dead because he's too fat, lazy and stupid to get a real job.
    Jesus...
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    When someone is resisting arrest, cops are trained to take that person to the ground face down and cuff them behind their back.

    This individual was so large it took several officers to bring him down.

    I see. I understand that. But surely there's an exception to that for unhealthy people. And then there's that disallowed chokehold. And the non-responsiveness to his "I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe."

    Awful. I support policemen. They have a dangerous job and have to make split second decisions. But this seems different to me. I think maybe they should've just left him alone or given him another ticket. He's not selling ciggies at that particular time. He's being respectful.

    I don't know. So sad. It didn't have to happen.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes it was.
    "Eight-year NYPD veteran Daniel Pantaleo responds by putting his arm around Garner’s neck in a chokehold – banned under police policy –"
    Eric Garner: grand jury declines to indict NYPD officer over chokehold death | US news | The Guardian
    "Pantaleo responded by wrapping his arm around Garner's neck in what appeared to be a chokehold, which is banned under NYPD policy."
    Protests Erupt as Cop Cleared; Feds to Investigate - ABC News
    Right. It violated police policy. It was not illegal which was the implication.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes it was.
    "Eight-year NYPD veteran Daniel Pantaleo responds by putting his arm around Garner’s neck in a chokehold – banned under police policy –"
    Eric Garner: grand jury declines to indict NYPD officer over chokehold death | US news | The Guardian
    "Pantaleo responded by wrapping his arm around Garner's neck in what appeared to be a chokehold, which is banned under NYPD policy."
    Protests Erupt as Cop Cleared; Feds to Investigate - ABC News
    And why am I not surprised that you chose to edit where you did? Here is the original post:

    The headline said it was banned. Reading one of the stories the choke hold was not banned. It was not illegal. It was against the police departments guidelines. The police officer should be disciplined for violating guidelines.
    My intent was clear. But you chose to score a point instead of acting honestly. Noted.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    *lethal force against a non-voilent person
    Garner swatted at the police and resisted arrest. This is a man who had been arrested 30 previous times. After thirty times, you think a person would know that isn't how one is to react. Most likely the reason he resisted is his ass was already in deep doo doo because he was out on bail over a number of criminal charges and selling black market cigarettes was one of them which he was busted by an undercover cop prior to his arrest.

    The cop that used the chokehold, an illegal move in New York City, almost immediately had his badge and gun stripped from him for his wrongdoing.

    Garner's massive heart attack had several factors. He had asthma, heart disease and obesity weighing in at almost 400 pounds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Right. It violated police policy. It was not illegal which was the implication.
    Why isnt it illegal? It sure as hell seems illegal to me. Choking someones neck is lethal force. The guy wasnt a threat so no justification of lethal force. They used lethal force by purposely targeting his neck. That sounds illegal to me even though everyone decided not to pursue the crime. If its ok for someone to use lethal force by choking someone to death for non-violently resisting arrest then why isnt it ok for a cop to shoot a person in the head for non-violent resistance? Because its wrong. As is choking someone.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    What the ****? Those didnt contribute to his death at all... A man choking him did. Pretty simple. You squeeze a mans neck too much and he dies.
    That may be true but it was not relevant in this case.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Here we go....

    This is how BS false narratives like " hands up dont shoot " get their beginnings.

    He wasn't choked to death. The Coroners report proves that.
    then you didn't read the coroner's report.

    The New York Medical Examiner has ruled Garner's death a homicide. The cause of death was "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Garner swatted at the police and resisted arrest. This is a man who had been arrested 30 previous times. After thirty times, you think a person would know that isn't how one is to react. Most likely the reason he resisted is his ass was already in deep doo doo because he was out on bail over a number of criminal charges and selling black market cigarettes was one of them which he was busted by an undercover cop prior to his arrest.

    The cop that used the chokehold, an illegal move in New York City, almost immediately had his badge and gun stripped from him for his wrongdoing.

    Garner's massive heart attack had several factors. He had asthma, heart disease and obesity weighing in at almost 400 pounds.
    He never once "swatted" or "smacked" the police. The cops grabbed at his arm and he tried to receed his arm. Dont lie. Its illegal to choke a person who doesnt pose a lethal threat to you.
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