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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    t was rulex

    It was ruled a homicide.
    Big deal. A human killed a human. Are all killings illegal? Are all killings criminal?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If a person resists arrest (non voilently) then im sorry.... But you gotta work harder for your arrest. Its annoying. But oh well. Does not justify lethality or violence. So it takes a little longer to get his hands behind his back. Well thats what their paycheck is for buddy. When most people slack on their job or take shortcuts it doesnt end up with death. The victim wasnt violent. Non-complaint and not hurting anyone is totally different than trying to hurt someone.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Yes he was...



    Pretty sure chokeholds are outlawed by NYC cops.



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    N.Y. cop not indicted in chokehold death - CNN.com
    None of that proves that he was choked to death.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If a person resists arrest (non voilently) then im sorry.... But you gotta work harder for your arrest. Its annoying. But oh well. Does not justify lethality or violence. So it takes a little longer to get his hands behind his back. Well thats what their paycheck is for buddy. When most people slack on their job or take shortcuts it doesnt end up with death. The victim wasnt violent. Non-complaint and not hurting anyone is totally different than trying to hurt someone.
    Doesn't look like they tried to hurt him. Looks like they tried to tackle him and make the arrest, which is what they are supposed to do when someone resists arrest.

    It's not their job to negotiate with the guy. If he really didn't do anything wrong, the place to have that debate is at the police station.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Good question. At this stage in the game, if the cop happens to be white, and the wrongdoer is black, for his/her sake it would be best to turn a blind eye to the illegal activity to save their ass from being crucified in the news and sacrificed at the alter of Eric Holder, Obama and Al Sharpton for doing their job. If the criminal is black, don't shoot if he comes at you, just walk/run away and save yourself. If he/she happens to be white, go ahead and shoot and use any means necessary to apprehend the criminal. And for God sake don't use force to subdue a black person if they resist arrest. You don't want to be accused of profiling or police brutality. After all what's the harm in driving without a license, possessing drugs, selling items in the black market and impersonation. (which is what Garner was arrested for and out on bail...his 30th f-ing arrest when he was caught selling black market cigs by an undercover cop!)
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I don't know what disturbs me more -- the fact that the cop skates without even being charged, or the sickening implication by several here that Garner basically deserved to die for his token "resistance."

    It's also odd that some of the same people eager to defend the officer are the same ones who complain incessantly about the heavy hand of government turning the U.S. into a police state.
    I suppose it is possible that someone said he deserved to die. There have been lots of posts.

    A grand jury reviewed the evidence and determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge someone with a crime. Are you claiming that the Grand Jury was corrupt?

    If we give up grand juries, civilians drawn from among our neighbors, to hear the evidence a prosecutor has then we will be a police state.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Doesn't look like they tried to hurt him. Looks like they tried to tackle him and make the arrest, which is what they are supposed to do when someone resists arrest.

    It's not their job to negotiate with the guy. If he really didn't do anything wrong, the place to have that debate is at the police station.
    Ok so 4 cops apprehended the guy properly while 1 decided he wanted to be a MMA superstar and dominate a guy as quick as possible with a lethal move. At least in MMA they have referees to stop it when a guy taps out. Here the cops seem to be the referee and death is excused. The 1 cop OBVIOUSLY tried to hurt him... He attacked the most sensitive part of a human with lethal force (you could argue eyes are most sensative but you can survive a gouged eye, if the blood to your brain gets cut off you die) Just because he thought he could do a blood choke and pacify the guy quicker doesnt mean that choking a persons neck should be allowed by cops.

    Sure its not their job to negotiate at all times. But its also not their job to use lethal force against a non-violent person. Attacking someones neck is lethal. Thats really the end of the debate right there.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    My main concern is the lack of CPR. At least give chest compressions...
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I think the grand jury in Missouri got it right. I think the grand jury in New York got it wrong. The perp died because he couldn't breathe. The coroner said he suffocated. That goes beyond making an arrest and dealing with resistance. The police applied too much force for the situation. It wasn't murder but it was certainly wrong. Unlike the Ferguson event, the perp in New York didn't attack a policeman. But, of course, I wasn't a member of either grand jury so my comments are pure opinion.
    I do not usually ask for evidence but can you provide some links to show the coroner said he died because he suffocated?

    A morbidly obese man had a heart attack after he resisted arrest. The right response is a tax revolt. He died because he was addicted to cheating the city out of its exorbitant taxes on cigarettes.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Your opinion of the events do not correspond with the video. It's enough for an indictment.
    Perhaps you should volunteer to be on a local Grand Jury.

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