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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yeah, when I saw the video of this occurring I could see myself in that man's shoes. Not the selling of untaxed cigs, but I could see myself being mandhandled by cops and it pissing me off.
    Do you frequently resist arrest?

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva
    so we should all be able to do "want we want to do regardless of laws?"

    just another dude looking for the easy buck.....and kept getting caught

    no too bright apparently
    The reply should be obvious: so lawmakers should be able to pass any laws they want, and we should just follow them?

    Actually, the answer to both is "no." We should follow just laws, and not unjust ones. As to which are which: ye shall know the tree by its fruits.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The absolute least case in this matter should have been criminally negligient homicide. There should be riots as a result of this grand jury. It appears it is the police/gov't vs. the taxpaying citizens in this Nation.
    Why should there be riots? Ever?

    Citizens reviewed the evidence and determined that there was insufficient evidence to support that there was a crime. Government agents did not decide. Citizens decided.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course it was homocide, but that doesn't mean it's murder.
    Was he gay?

    Oops. Homicide. :-)

    No need to respond.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Just a guess, but perhaps the GJ had more to consider than just that video.
    Like his 30 prior arrests ? And that he was currently out on bail over an arrest 2 months prior for selling untaxed cigarettes, driving without a license, drug possession and false personation? That it was a plain clothes officer that caught him selling untaxed cigarettes (while out on bail) not the one who put him in a chokehold to hold him down during an arrest he was resisting. (You would think after being arrested 30 previous times he would have known the routine by now). That Garner died of a massive heart attack with asthma, heart disease and obesity as contributing factors?

    But to hear Obama, Eric Holder and Al Sharpton describe the guy, he is another "gentle giant". Tell you what I think. If I were a cop (white), I'd be damn afraid to arrest a black person for wrong doing for fear my life would be turned into a world of Hell for doing my job.

    Having said that, the officer used an illegal move for subduing during an arrest. Chokeholds have been banned in NYC since the late 90's I believe. And from what I have read he was stripped of his badge and gun for it.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    ....and a comment for New York lawmakers. If it is wildly profitable to go to North Carolina to buy cigarettes and then sell them on the street illegally then something is wrong with the tax law. The purpose, one would assume, is to discourage smoking. The outrageous tax won't discourage smoking. Smoking is a powerful addiction. It will only encourage the black market. Common sense should prevail.
    the high tax absolutely discourages smoking
    it does not end it
    but that vice/luxury tax is certainly something which serves as a disincentive to existing and prospective smokers

    and just as i fill up in the next state (12 miles away) to save 30c a gallon, those in new york seek out 'discounted' cigarettes, buying them where they were not taxed so significantly (but where gas taxes are among the highest)
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you frequently resist arrest?
    Arresting a guy for selling loose cigarettes.....

    Insanity.

    6 officers to arrest him for something that should be a ticket.

    Cops killed this guy...and the bad cops get away with crap like this all the time.
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Race is irrelevant in this case imo.

    The choke hold is not even the issue actually


    The fact that the cops end up killing a dude over selling bootleg cigarettes is what we all should be outraged over.
    The fact that he was morbidly obese is what we should be outraged over.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    who said it did?
    Then why keep harping about it?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate what you're saying, but it still bothers me. This isn't a man that was physically hurting or threatening anyone, from what I can tell - he was basically committing a crime against the tax collectors. This isn't a man who was abusing or threatening the life of a police officer - the only time the officers would be threatened or subjected to bodily harm is when they enforced an arrest. As I mentioned earlier, why isn't this just the issuance of a summons and not an arrest? That's a big issue for me.
    The correct response to this senseless death is a tax revolt. He was killed while resisting arrest because he was not collecting outrageous taxes for the city.

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