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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Did you watch the video? You call that resisting arrest?
    Yes and yes.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    I do not like this. I think there is too much clear evidence that this should not really have happened for it to be thrown out.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It is the policy for them not to use it and why? Because it's dangerous and can cause death.

    Choke hold complaints against N.Y.C. police on the rise: report | Reuters
    I know ... someone said it was against the law and I was just trying to be accurate.
    Too easy for untruths to have a life of their own ... e.g. hands up don't shoot

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    I have heard from news sources that it is true. Check it out.
    From 11/11/2014 ...

    Queens Democratic City Councilman Rory Lancman plans to introduce a package of bills on Thursday, that aims to criminalize the use of chokeholds by NYPD officers and provide guidelines on how the tactic can only be used.

    In an interview with the AmNews on Tuesday, the freshman lawmaker said one measure will ban chokehold altogether. Although the take-down maneuver is prohibited by NYPD departmental policy, officers still use it. There's no law that makes it illegal.

    “The bill would make it clear that chokehold will only be used depending on the situation the officers are in,” the lawmaker said.


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    City Council bill to make chokehold illegal | New York Amsterdam News: The new Black view

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    I don't know what disturbs me more -- the fact that the cop skates without even being charged, or the sickening implication by several here that Garner basically deserved to die for his token "resistance."

    It's also odd that some of the same people eager to defend the officer are the same ones who complain incessantly about the heavy hand of government turning the U.S. into a police state.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    I think the grand jury in Missouri got it right. I think the grand jury in New York got it wrong. The perp died because he couldn't breathe. The coroner said he suffocated. That goes beyond making an arrest and dealing with resistance. The police applied too much force for the situation. It wasn't murder but it was certainly wrong. Unlike the Ferguson event, the perp in New York didn't attack a policeman. But, of course, I wasn't a member of either grand jury so my comments are pure opinion.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Yes and yes.
    Wow and wow!
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    As did all of the other factors listed in the coroner's report. Absent those other factors then the brief use of force would not have been fatal.
    Your opinion of the events do not correspond with the video. It's enough for an indictment.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I don't know what disturbs me more -- the fact that the cop skates without even being charged, or the sickening implication by several here that Garner basically deserved to die for his token "resistance."

    It's also odd that some of the same people eager to defend the officer are the same ones who complain incessantly about the heavy hand of government turning the U.S. into a police state.
    I don't believe that anyone is saying that he deserved to die. What I'm seeing is that a lot of people think his death was an unfortunate accident which probably would have been avoidable if he'd simply complied with the lawful request of the police officers.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I don't believe that anyone is saying that he deserved to die. What I'm seeing is that a lot of people think his death was an unfortunate accident which probably would have been avoidable if he'd simply complied with the lawful request of the police officers.
    I agree - it was an accident. I don't see the police trying to kill this guy purposefully - and that is why there are laws such as negligent homicide and various levels of manslaughter on the books for just such an event. I'm not looking to nail this cop - only give him his day in court and let a jury decide if he just did his job or if he did his job badly and aiding in the death of a suspect. Reasonable no?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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