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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Richard Pryor back in '78 talks about chokeholds being used by police.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    So reading a bit more (still happy to see anything else people can link to. I know there are very well versed individuals on this case. I'm definitely not one of them)...I see some reports saying there was no damage to the windpipe/throat. And even with the jugular vein, it seemed that it simply compressed it according to the CNN report, not actually doing damage that would've sustained after the choke hold was released.

    Still trying to see more, but thus far it would almost seem to be me...

    The officer in question absolutely would need action taken against him professional for using a hold that is against regulations. (I'd also like to know whether or not the escalation he did, to that degree and that quickly, was correct or not according to regulation).

    However, I am beginning to see how a grand jury could possibly not convict just him, as crazy as that could be. The autopsy apparently listed the pressure being put on the back by the other individuals...after the choke had been completely released...as being partially to blame as well. So there's a legitimate question as to whether or not it would be the choke, or the burking, that more substantially contributed to the death. It also seemed to indicate, by listing the other contributing factors, that if not for his other health problems it likely would not have resulted in death.

    Originally, when I was under the impression the individual actually lost consiousness while in the choke hold and eventually died...the lack of a indictment seemed absolutely crazy. Even tonight, when talking to a friend who stated he thought the claim was that there was damage to his throat which caused him to be unable to adequately breath and that led to his death...the lack of an indictment seemed crazy.

    Having seen the video and the little bit of autopsy information I've been able to find so much...it seems less crazy. I still think it's unfortunate no indictment was made, and it still seems like it probably should have, but I'm beginning to see reasons why it would possibly come out in this fashion unfortunately.

    I'm now more and more intrigued by this case. I gotta pass out now ,but I may have to start looking for more info on it.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

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    Headlines have to be much simpler
    Okay - we'll just go with the last part - "Mayor Claims Amnesia when instruction leads to death of supporter"
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    You can speculate all you want on chokeholds, how/why/whether they kill, whether or not you understand how, or believe that, treatment by the police caused his death, all based on imperfect understanding and having seen a video.

    The bottom line is that the medical examiner who did the autopsy and does have medical training ruled the death a homicide. That ruling is far and away more credible than pages of speculation.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So reading a bit more (still happy to see anything else people can link to. I know there are very well versed individuals on this case. I'm definitely not one of them)...I see some reports saying there was no damage to the windpipe/throat. And even with the jugular vein, it seemed that it simply compressed it according to the CNN report, not actually doing damage that would've sustained after the choke hold was released.

    Still trying to see more, but thus far it would almost seem to be me...

    The officer in question absolutely would need action taken against him professional for using a hold that is against regulations. (I'd also like to know whether or not the escalation he did, to that degree and that quickly, was correct or not according to regulation).

    However, I am beginning to see how a grand jury could possibly not convict just him, as crazy as that could be. The autopsy apparently listed the pressure being put on the back by the other individuals...after the choke had been completely released...as being partially to blame as well. So there's a legitimate question as to whether or not it would be the choke, or the burking, that more substantially contributed to the death. It also seemed to indicate, by listing the other contributing factors, that if not for his other health problems it likely would not have resulted in death.

    Originally, when I was under the impression the individual actually lost consiousness while in the choke hold and eventually died...the lack of a indictment seemed absolutely crazy. Even tonight, when talking to a friend who stated he thought the claim was that there was damage to his throat which caused him to be unable to adequately breath and that led to his death...the lack of an indictment seemed crazy.

    Having seen the video and the little bit of autopsy information I've been able to find so much...it seems less crazy. I still think it's unfortunate no indictment was made, and it still seems like it probably should have, but I'm beginning to see reasons why it would possibly come out in this fashion unfortunately.

    I'm now more and more intrigued by this case. I gotta pass out now ,but I may have to start looking for more info on it.


    zyph, the whole incident including the chokehold put stress on an already stressed heart.


    A non-violent man who had a history of non-violent misdemeanors was killed by violence put upon him by some jock cops, that induced his heart attack.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's the tax system that's corrupt and Eric Garner is just another victim of government overkill. (pun intended) When you have the IRS attacking with SWAT Teams and their officials taking the fifth, and confiscatory taxes created because a bureaucrat feels strongly on an issue (the soda tax would fall into the same category) then it may be time to reflect on some of the social harm many of these strong-arm tactics and consequent social problems create.

    There are governmental problems everywhere, including the entire infrastructure, and yet these incompetents are assuming ever more power over the American people. While the Leftists clearly supported the Nevada rancher against the IRS I'm surprised that so many Conservatives support what an obviously overzealous police force did to Eric Garner.

    Rather than focusing on small timers like Eric Garner, who was only responding to a need in the marketplace and selling a legal product, there are far bigger issues that should be attracting more attention from those Americans who look for a more conservative and traditional attitude to what's happening in the country.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    A need in the marketplace and selling a legal product? Selling untaxed cigarettes for a profit is not legal. Why pass laws if we are not going to enforce them?


    We do all the time. Immigration laws come to mind.


    Hell there's a whole website dedicated to unenforced dumb laws.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    zyph, the whole incident including the chokehold put stress on an already stressed heart.


    A non-violent man who had a history of non-violent misdemeanors was killed by violence put upon him by some jock cops, that induced his heart attack.
    Garner had a history of assault and resisting arrest.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Garner had a history of assault and resisting arrest.


    Link please.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Link please.
    Death of Eric Garner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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