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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    The only problem I have with this is... that police officers are not medical experts. Are they suppose to ask a criminal if they have any medical issues before they take them down? How many do you think would tell the truth anyway?
    Well, virtually every member on this thread claiming that his death was caused by his obvious size declare they are medical experts who can tell just by looking at him.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Why do you suffer from such a limited view?

    I have already posted why once. I might post it again if necessary.
    I don't suffer anything, including flippant retorts. Which 'why' have you already posted? And was the death of what's-his-name fated after some liberal policy became law so the cop who choked him was no more than a word in a phrase expression of kismet?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903]

    While a chockhold, like any other act of violence, is not illegal of itself, it was known to that officer that it is prohibited by police policy.

    Accordingly, anytime anyone posts that officer was doing his job as a police officer that message is a lie. He exactly was NOT acting as a police officer. He was acting personally as a renegade against the police department on his own.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You will be involved but I can count on you being on the wrong side.
    Yes, you can. When liberals have fought for the rights of individuals and limits on the powers of government, it has always been conservatives they've fought against.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Well, virtually every member on this thread claiming that his death was caused by his obvious size declare they are medical experts who can tell just by looking at him.
    Well...that and the fact that we can actually read and don't seize on emotion based words because the fit the cause. Sure...the police officer took him down in what has been called a choke hold. He also was breathing during the incident, after the incident, and up to an hour later when he died of cardiac arrest. That happens when a man that is 200+ pounds decides he doesn't want to cooperate with law enforcement.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    ferguson and this story: two episodes of large men disobeying police orders(after breaking the law) and ending up dead. I'm sorry, but the average american isn't going to get upset at that no matter WHAT COLOR THEY ARE because the average american DOESN'T disobey police orders OR break the law. That is the honest truth. So you can waste your breathe trying to rationalize that away until the cows come home, it still won't be a major issue in this country except to a small minority.

    Tomorrow, if a black man who works at an accountant's office with no criminal record is pulled over for speeding and ends up dead on the street, THEN COME AND TALK TO ME. I will share your outrage. till then you are just trying to build something that won't stand up no matter how hard you try.

    Yeah, I got what you really said. To you it's about black men - and since both were black the story is the same - those criminal black men in your view.

    The Ferguson and NYC incidents have no relationship to each other - other than to such as your message - people who judge everyone in racial terms.

    In Ferguson, Brown initiated the violence. In NYC a police officer initiated the violence.
    In Ferguson, Brown had just committed an act of violence against the officer. In NYC Garner had not done or threatened any violence.
    In Ferguson, Brown had tried to flee. In NYC Garner was claiming he had a right to stand on the public sidewalk where he was.
    In Ferguson, the police officer had saw Brown commit felony assault against him. In NYC, not one officer had seen Garner break any law whatsoever.

    Yet none of that matters to you. They are the same to you for one simple reason, two black men.

    To this, of course, then you add the lie told hundreds of times on this thread. Mr. Garner had not refused anything. He was not told he was under arrest. He was not under arrest. He wasn't told any command at all. Nor has any evidence ever been offered that he was breaking any law - now has there been anyone stating they saw him breaking any law.

    But, well, he's black man. Therefore, to you, he's a criminal. That's enough reason, huh?

    Hopefully, your view about black men doesn't represent the majority of Americans anymore.

    Keep posting just how black they were in your view, as that is the core of your messages.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It's probably not worth mentioning for how trivial it was. Civil War?
    Seriously? The Spanish civil war trivial?
    Sorry, I just realized I'm barking up the wrong tree. As you were.

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    Actually, most rebellions were by people I would define as conservative. Even the revolutionary war in terms of resistance ...
    blahblahblah- you've not a clue what you're talking about. Done witcha.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    While a chockhold, like any other act of violence, is not illegal of itself, it was known to that officer that it is prohibited by police policy.

    Accordingly, anytime anyone posts that officer was doing his job as a police officer that message is a lie. He exactly was NOT acting as a police officer. He was acting personally as a renegade against the police department on his own.
    I just don't know about this one... The water is murky... If he was able to talk and say he cant breathe, then he could breathe. I think this was a matter of a medical condition combined with use of force that contributed to his death. I don't think you could contribute either or to the total cause of his death because both had a role.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Yes, you can. When liberals have fought for the rights of individuals and limits on the powers of government, it has always been conservatives they've fought against.
    Nothing personal. You can't help being a minion of the evil beast.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    So far my response to this has been "it seems like there's some sort of significant issue here, but I don't know what the **** it is exactly."
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