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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yeah, hey guys, let's all look at issues based on headlines like Rocket does! No reason to learn the facts.
    So the policeman wasn't a union member? I find that hard to believe.

    I must have touched a raw nerve. You don't like having your nose shoved in it do you?


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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    That jaywalking thug got what she deserved!

    I'm sure citizens are safe since the scantily clad jogger/j-walker has been cuffed and removed from the streets of Austin, Texas. She could have been hiding a bomb in her, well...
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Still making it up as you go?
    The facts released in this case are mere inconveniences to posters in denial about what happened.

    It doesn't seem to fit their narrative about cops.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    The facts released in this case are mere inconveniences to posters in denial about what happened.

    It doesn't seem to fit their narrative about cops.
    How can you post with a straight face, you have done nothing but ignore the facts we do know and speculated wildly about the rest we don't.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    In case no one yet has answered the silly question, "was he really under arrest?":

    At 10 p.m., the NYPD's press office issued the following statement about Garner's death:

    "On Thursday, July 17, 2014 at approximately 1648 hours, police observed a 43-year-old male selling untaxed cigarettes in front of 202 Bay Street within the confines of the 120 Precinct. Upon attempting to arrest the suspect for the violation, the suspect went into cardiac arrest and was transported by EMS to Richmond University Medical Center where he was pronounced DOA. The Medical Examiner will determine the cause of death. The investigation is ongoing."
    Public records show Garner was out on $4,000 bond or $2,000 cash bail -- he has three pending criminal cases against him, all involving charges of possession and sale of untaxed cigarettes, from arrests in May, March and last August. In the August case, police also charged him with aggravated unlicensed operation of a vehicle, false personation and marijuana possession.
    Differing accounts emerge as NYPD identifies man who died while being arrested in Tompkinsville | SILive.com

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If the windpipe wasn't collapsed, he didn't choke to death.
    For the third time (is it third? I've lost count):

    You asked "The ME said the police killed him? Link?"

    I gave you numerous links. All of which say:

    The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," said Julie Bolcer, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. The death was ruled a homicide.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's the tax system that's corrupt and Eric Garner is just another victim of government overkill. (pun intended)
    And if Woody had gone straight to the police, none of this ever would have happened!

    This has absolutely nothing to do with cigarette taxes, or any of the other nonsense you posted.

    The NYPD (and many other departments) have spent well over a decade utilizing the "Broken Windows" theory of policing. They aggressively target minor offenses, on the theory that if you stop the minor offenses, then you prevent the more serious offenses. (Since crime rates have been declining fairly regularly in NYC since the early 1990s, it's not clear that it actually works.)

    As a result, the NYPD routinely holds a zero-tolerance policy towards just about any infraction whatsoever. A joint in the pocket, beating a $2.50 subway fare, vandalism, whatever. Cops will be on you... especially if you're black or Hispanic.

    The fact that Garner happened to be stopped for illegally selling single cigarettes has absolutely nothing to do with what happened to him. He apparently died while in police custody because while they were trying to detain him, they compressed his neck and chest, and kept him in a prone position.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    New headline on Eric Garner that's sure to make conservatives feel differently: Union Member Kills Free Market Activist.
    That was quite a good response! Certainly an improvement over the usual leftist segue.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So the policeman wasn't a union member? I find that hard to believe. I must have touched a raw nerve. You don't like having your nose shoved in it do you?
    Now it's back to the usual. You really should have quit while ahead.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    And if Woody had gone straight to the police, none of this ever would have happened!

    This has absolutely nothing to do with cigarette taxes, or any of the other nonsense you posted.

    The NYPD (and many other departments) have spent well over a decade utilizing the "Broken Windows" theory of policing. They aggressively target minor offenses, on the theory that if you stop the minor offenses, then you prevent the more serious offenses. (Since crime rates have been declining fairly regularly in NYC since the early 1990s, it's not clear that it actually works.)

    As a result, the NYPD routinely holds a zero-tolerance policy towards just about any infraction whatsoever. A joint in the pocket, beating a $2.50 subway fare, vandalism, whatever. Cops will be on you... especially if you're black or Hispanic.

    The fact that Garner happened to be stopped for illegally selling single cigarettes has absolutely nothing to do with what happened to him. He apparently died while in police custody because while they were trying to detain him, they compressed his neck and chest, and kept him in a prone position.
    I'm familiar with the "|Broken Window" theory and certainly have seen the positive consequences. However we also have to consider where the Broken Window theory stops and an overzealous police state begins. This is Barney Fife run amok.

    Why do you suppose the police wanted to question Garner?
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