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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No reason? Really?


    Really!

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Then don't be a fat ass and try to fight the cops. On top of being a criminal.



    He did not try to fight the cops!

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Is that supposed to be witty?

    The problem in the USA is the 0-tolerance fiasco that's been going on for some time now.
    You see in the news about your schools where a kid playing with a toy gun (from a toy) gets detention and is treated like a criminal and has to sign a document attesting that he understands the difference between a toy and a gun. It's insane.
    Anyway, I'm assuming that such a mentality is pervasive in many police stations.

    0 tolerance makes thinking obsolete because everything is treated as either one thing or another.

    The USA has a problem with this 0 tolerance in general and it's spilling over into europe. 0 tolerance in this and that, and many areas of life. And this mentality is because of perverse and pervasive leftist thinking, aka "progressives". they're the ones who push this sort of mentality.


    Sorry, but I don't believe that is true!

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Yes, I think it plays a role in that. It's obviously, not the only variable, but it is a variable.
    Mathematically it would be like r = x1 + x2 + x3 + x4 + ... + xn
    r being the end result of this police culture, well, this 0 tolerance prevalence in the USA is one of those x's.

    And 0 tolerance policies are the trademark of leftist, so-called "progressive" mindset and people who subscribe to it. And they've pushed this cultural norm in areas of life where it shouldn't be the cultural norm and it has now made its way into the police force, well, at least some of it. It's already the norm in many schools and especially, "academia" which is dominated by morons, I mean, progressive professors. The generation you raise is the people you have and the people in a country define that country.



    As I said above, I think it has to do with the 0-tolerance culture norm that seems to be prevalent in america and gradually, in the rest of the world too. see comment 908 for more.


    Stop saying that. All Progressives do not believe in zero tolerance policies. I don't!

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Compression of his chest and neck--blood was getting to his brain but not getting out rupturing vessels in his brain. I believe that is what it said.
    It has been posted a number of times what a chokehold does physiologically.

    There are a few ways of assaulting someone else that are very incapacitating that are known to poise a danger of causing death. Two involve the neck.

    One is slugging someone in the throat. Usually this won't kill the person but sometimes it will. If it collapses the person's throat - or causes it to swell shut - the person will die - unless someone knows what to do right away to cut an airway.

    A chockhold usually won't kill a person unless that is the goal, and sometimes will whether this is the goal or not. Chockholds used to be a way to kill someone making it look like natural causes - specifically a heart attack - as a chockhold is an attack against the person's brain AND against the person's heart.

    Here (again) is how a chockhold works - and how it killed Mr. Garner - as certain to happen as if that officer had stuck a taser into the center of his heart. The brain requires more oxygen for its size and more continuous oxygen than any other human organ. A chockhold significantly reduces the flow of blood to the brain. In response, to protect itself, the brain rapidly and increasingly shuts down the rest of the body to save the brain. This included the heart and lungs, not just muscles.

    The officer not only had a chockhold on Mr. Garner, but also his weight on Mr. Garner's back for which breathing then required Mr. Garner to lift his body and the officer's body to breathe, while his brain was shutting down Mr. Garner's lungs and heart (which pumps the oxygen throughout the body). That is what was happening when Mr. Garner said "I can't breathe. I can't breathe."

    His brain - for the lack of oxygen - was increasingly shutting down his muscles (required for breathing with more than a couple hundred extra pounds to life), increasingly cutting down the his lung muscles, and dramatically cutting down his heart rate - which future cut the supply of oxygen to his brain and whole body.

    At that point, hearing this, the officer released his hold. That release was the same as had the officer run a tazer thru Mr. Garner's back straight into the center of his heart. With Mr. Garner's brain and entire body oxygen depleted - plus still all the weight of his body and of that officer still already making breathing difficult, plus his muscles not fully revived also making breathing possible, the brain threw Mr. Garner's heart rate and blood pressure off the charts - causing a heart attack. It was at that moment Mr. Garner was dying of a heart attack, ie his heart stopped from the radical sudden increase in effort and blood pressure.

    It is likely he could have been saved by ordinary methods of addressing that manner of heart attack - to do CPR to keep so blood flowing while his heart muscle could lose it's essentially "charley horse" (anyone who has had a muscle freeze up like a rock with a charley horse knows what I mean - and also know the muscle will relax.

    But the police didn't do CPR and the EMTs did nothing. In short, they all just let Mr. Garner die.

    If this had been a gang attack? Police may have come to his aid when he was under attack. Other people may have. Police, EMTs or other people may have done CPR. Instead, a punk maverick officer with a history of abusing African-Americans did a deadly chockhold adding his body weight to it - and then the police and EMT just stood there watching Mr. Garner die - for which because of the police no one else dare try to save him.

    That's what killed Mr. Garner.

    I do understand our arm chair couch potato forum warriors declare that someone like them with the physical fitness of a 20 year old dual state champion in wrestling and long distance running, plus their all being champion body builders blame Mr. Garner's health issues for his lack of their physical perfection. But I also understand that with this they also throw in their tacit racism posting about fried chicken, gravel and cheeseburgers. If Mr. Garner was Latino, it would tacos and burritos. All their blaming the victim for their own death, like they would blame rape on the victim, claim abused children bring it on themselves, and hope old people die off to spare money from the SS system.

    Anyway, that is what killed Mr. Garner. A deathly chockhold move enhanced by the officer adding his body weight to the attack against Mr. Garner's heart - as that is what a chockhold is.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I have posted numours links that back my claim. de Blasio needs the revenue cigarettes bring in. Its a fact easily googled that those who smoke in NY especically in NYC because they add additional taxes per pack is purchasing their cigs through black market, what's that doing to de Blasio's budget?
    Oh I don't dispute the Mayor and higher ups wanted a crack down on the likely hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers who were not paying $12 for a pack of cigarettes. Buying them on the street. Buying them in neighboring states. Have relatives mail them. Bringing them in when they travel.

    And of course, the poor people who can't afford the $12 so buy a couple of cigarettes at a time. It is easy for the police to then focus on those poor people, isn't it?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Do you think the NYPD is also searching business people's bags coming into the airports - something done as easily as the scanners they already use for baggage? Or focus on trying to catch can't-afford-any-defense and no-influence-or-political-power folks on the street? One of those "go round up the usual suspects" to fake-show they are doing something - when there isn't a damn thing the police can do about people buying black market cigarettes.

    They can't stop felony drug sales. How are they going to stop people bringing in cheaper cartons of cigarettes?

    Do your SERIOUSLY believe that guys like him are the major source of cigarette taxes not being paid?

    Curious no cigarettes he supposed had to sell were ever shown, were they? I guess that has to be secret too?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Sorry, but I don't believe that is true!
    What you believe is irrelevant. You are just a meaningless person and the progressives who are in positions of authority are doing propaganda and indoctrination and causing all these problems.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do you think the NYPD is also searching business people's bags coming into the airports - something done as easily as the scanners they already use for baggage? Or focus on trying to catch can't-afford-any-defense and no-influence-or-political-power folks on the street? One of those "go round up the usual suspects" to fake-show they are doing something - when there isn't a damn thing the police can do about people buying black market cigarettes.

    They can't stop felony drug sales. How are they going to stop people bringing in cheaper cartons of cigarettes?

    Do your SERIOUSLY believe that guys like him are the major source of cigarette taxes not being paid?

    Curious no cigarettes he supposed had to sell were ever shown, were they? I guess that has to be secret too?
    They could not show the public the cigarettes Garner was supposedly selling because showing them might compromise National Security.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Really? You don't think that most just buy them for half the NYC price in a lower taxed state (or at a military store) and double their money?
    Even that is a crime.

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