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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You hate cops so much, have no respect for them. Fine, why not find a protest near you to join. There are plenty being planned by special interest groups. And when you all get done with tearing down the trust in law enforcement, don't you dare complain the consequences that will result from it. Have a nice day.
    Your messages are blind loyalty cheering police in general, for which the complexities of facts and that each police officer, like each person, is an individual and each incident stands or falls on the facts? This message of your's declares that is unthinkable to even consider.

    It is the lack of a sense of justice, the sense that the law enforcement system is corrupt and harms people rather than helps them, is what erases the trust.

    If it had been a gang of muggers who had done exactly what those officers had done, Mr. Garner might still be alive because 1.) other people may have come to his aid - while no one dare intervene in his behalf against the police 2.) police may have come to his aid - rather than other officers standing around watching and 3.) he might have gone CPR.

    In this instance, those officers were worse violence against him and put him more into helplessness than had he been attacked by a gang.

    That does not build trust when you might have to fear the police most of all.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    The whole picture will bring back the life of Eric Garner? How about any part of the picture?

    No, and no...

    I didn't beat down the police. They don't to seem need my help.
    Oh really, well here is hoping in the very near future you or any of your loved ones don't need their assistance. I know personally if I were a cop especially white, getting beaten down accused of atrocities starting with the White House to Eric Holder to Al Sharpton to Jesse Jackson to a number of special interests groups who happen to hate this country and want to destroy it one institution at a time, and today it just happens to be law enforcement,.......I wouldn't be so willing to lay my ass on the line for folks like you. Cheers!

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So is that what the cop who killed Eric Garner did, lay his ass on the line for him?
    The cop that arrested Garner was following what the Chief of Police told him to do and that is crack down on those selling black market cigarettes. The cop got his orders from the Chief of Police. The Chief of Police got his orders from the Police Commissioner. The Police Commissioner got his order from Mayor de Balsio.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    An undercover cop can get the illegal action on video.
    If there was a video it would have definitely been made public. But for trial, a video can not be put into evidence without someone to prove it up. That is a procedural technicality in all criminal cases. And again this is just speculation on your part.

    Trying to make this a generic police loyalty test serves no purpose.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The cop that arrested Garner was following what the Chief of Police told him to do and that is crack down on those selling black market cigarettes. The cop got his orders from the Chief of Police. The Chief of Police got his orders from the Police Commissioner. The Police Commissioner got his order from Mayor de Balsio.
    Your claim that it was Mayor de Balsio ordered that officer to jump on Mr. Garner's back with a chock hold needs to be a Conspiracy thread topic. And then the mayor had the officer lie to the media saying Garner was not under arrest?

    Do you have ANYTHING, anything whatsoever to back up what you are posting? I'm just curious. It is an incredible claim.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Watch the video, he's hardly shouting as much as he is using whatever leverage he had to gasp out "I can't breath." The shouts get louder when the cop performing the choke hold is replaced by the cop pressing Garner's face into the ground. Let's look at the "simply a hold" again.



    Look at where the arm is wrapped around. I'll give you a hint, it's the neck. Notice how the officer's right hand is gripping into the arm that is wrapped around Garner's neck. That's hooking and pulling, it's a basic rear choke you learn in your first weak of BJJ. For comparison here is what a rear naked choke could look like if applied in the same way the officer applied his choke hold.





    The choke is a choke, and to someone weighing 400 pounds, and asthmatic alone could spike his heart rate high enough to provoke the heart attack that killed him. (That and the four other officers compressing the back and chest as you said earlier.)

    Does anyone have a link to the autopsy or a source? I know he died of a heart attack after the incident, but what did they determine the cause of death to be?


    Compression of his chest and neck--blood was getting to his brain but not getting out rupturing vessels in his brain. I believe that is what it said.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If there was a video it would have definitely been made public. But for trial, a video can not be put into evidence without someone to prove it up. That is a procedural technicality in all criminal cases. And again this is just speculation on your part.

    Trying to make this a generic police loyalty test serves no purpose.
    No it wouldn't, a video of surveillance may very well be in evidence as that is how undercover cops work. Hardly anything around Grand Jury testimony has been made public. The only reason you have such a perverted view is because of the only video posted on the web by Garner's buddy . But since then things are leaking out. There happen to be two more videos taken by by-standers that the Grand Jury were privy to. We now know it was the business owners in the places where Garner would set up his business to sell illegal cigarettes that called the police department and complained. We still don't know the charges against the officer. There is a level, a threshold that has to be met before charging anyone of a crime. Yet here you are bloviating away as if to know all.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Oh really, well here is hoping in the very near future you or any of your loved ones don't need their assistance. I know personally if I were a cop especially white, getting beaten down accused of atrocities starting with the White House to Eric Holder to Al Sharpton to Jesse Jackson to a number of special interests groups who happen to hate this country and want to destroy it one institution at a time, and today it just happens to be law enforcement,.......I wouldn't be so willing to lay my ass on the line for folks like you. Cheers!
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your claim that it was Mayor de Balsio ordered that officer to jump on Mr. Garner's back with a chock hold needs to be a Conspiracy thread topic. And then the mayor had the officer lie to the media saying Garner was not under arrest?

    Do you have ANYTHING, anything whatsoever to back up what you are posting? I'm just curious. It is an incredible claim.
    I have posted numours links that back my claim. de Blasio needs the revenue cigarettes bring in. Its a fact easily googled that those who smoke in NY especically in NYC because they add additional taxes per pack is purchasing their cigs through black market, what's that doing to de Blasio's budget?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Looking at the video many time I have one question; why did the criminal refuse to cooperate with the police? Caught red handed he lifts his arms saying waddup dudes? then he places both hands on his hips sending another message of defiance. Resist the cops and you will pay.


    Caught red handed? Where did you see that?

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