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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I'm not wearing blinders. No sir. But I have no doubt there will come a day that you will discover you are blind in one eye and can't see out of the other.

    It doesn't matter that he was killed 4 months ago, the Grand Jury has been debating the case for over 9 weeks. And with their decision coming off the heels of Ferguson it was prime to milk this verdict for all it was worth for special interests, after all it was a white cop that subdued a black criminal that resulted in his death.
    Today after Al Sharpton made a personal appearance with the widow of Garner, milking it for all he could get using her emotion to fuel it, he jotted off to another part of the country to do the eulogy at a funeral for another black man that was killed during an altercation with police with media coverage of course. Yeah, folks like Sharpton who like to be called Reverend, who use churches as a backdrop to promote hatred and discord among races, must have a special place in Hell with his name on it. I've attended the funerals of several officers who gave their life in law enforcement taken by some piece of slime who has no respect for life or the rule of law. I've heard the bagpipes played too many times over the years for these men. I have a niece in law enforcement. I know what she faces everyday on the job putting herself on the line to protect the innocent. I wonder how long it will be before she will be put into a position to be made a racist just for doing her job. Yeah there has to be a special place in Hell for people who provoke such divisiveness.

    Let me know when you want to discuss this case, not Ferguson, especially the facts.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes "the tape" we have all seen recorded by his friend. Yet there are two other tapes recorded by two other by-standers that we haven't seen that the Grand Jury were privy to. The tape that was void of the altercation between the cop and Garner pushing him into a glass window of a business is not recorded on the tape made by his friend we have all seen. The officer trying to talk to Garner to co-operate with his arrest which grand jury testimony was confirmed by witnesses is not on the tape that Garner's friend created. But all of it may very well be on that videoed by two other by-standers along with the owner of the shop who witnessed it where the allocation took place. But when you got political groups, public officials in high positions, special interest groups, sending messages out that Grand Juries are racists, that prosecutors are racists, that cops are racists and can't be trusted, fueled by the media the distrust is overwhelming and unjustified/unfounded at this time.
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    No you are mistaken. The undercover officer caught Garner selling loosies, something the Chief of Police passed down to the precincts just days prior to crack down on. On his patrol he was observing drug activity as well as untaxed cigarettes because almost all of the cigarettes consumed in NY these days are black market due to the high taxes. When an undercover cop sees an illegal act he radios in the activity. Think about it, why would an undercover cop give away his identiy in an area he works? Especially over untaxed cigarettes? Think!!!!!!!!!
    Do you have a link to any of the facts you have presented here? Forgive me, but I ain't just gonna take your word for it.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

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    Did they mention when they would release the entire thing?
    They didn't that I heard but I'm only listening with one ear.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Ya and it probably has people screaming at the cops to start resuscitation. And the cop smiling and waving as the ambulance drove away.
    You hate cops so much, have no respect for them. Fine, why not find a protest near you to join. There are plenty being planned by special interest groups. And when you all get done with tearing down the trust in law enforcement, don't you dare complain the consequences that will result from it. Have a nice day.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Do you have a link to any of the facts you have presented here? Forgive me, but I ain't just gonna take your word for it.
    I've left plenty of links throughout this thread to back what I have stated.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No you are mistaken. The undercover officer caught Garner selling loosies, something the Chief of Police passed down to the precincts just days prior to crack down on. On his patrol he was observing drug activity as well as untaxed cigarettes because almost all of the cigarettes consumed in NY these days are black market due to the high taxes. When an undercover cop sees an illegal act he radios in the activity. Think about it, why would an undercover cop give away his identiy in an area he works? Especially over untaxed cigarettes? Think!!!!!!!!!

    That makes no sense. If the only "witness" is an undercover cop, if he does not testify there can be no trial. Therefore his cover is blown. Certainly that speculation on your part does not add up to it then being a fact, only your speculation. I have my own speculations, but acknowledge that is what it is.

    However, that does NOT change the fact that he was not being arrested - only being brought in for questioning - according to that one officer - and nothing shown he was even told that.

    There were reports that what he was told was the a shop owner complained and therefore he had to go on his way - and he refused telling the police officers to stop harassing him and that he wasn't doing anything wrong.

    All the piles and piles of messages that he was being "arrested" are false.

    The YOUNG cop who jumped on his back may well have not actually known what was happened, he does have a history of harassing/abusing poor African-Americans, and my "speculation" (acknowledging that for what it is) is that young punk officer went completely maverick.

    When he jumped on Garner's back by surprise - stupidly too as it certain Garner at 350 would stumble backwards into a huge pane of glass, thus endangering the life of that officer for his stupid and wrongful action - and that of Garner (though the officer said he only cared about his safety for the cutting danger he himself had created.)

    This left no alternative for the other officers to jump into it.

    It was that young, maverick loose-cannon-on-the-deck that set this all in motion. The other officers were telling Garner to go on his way - and Garner was arguing he had a right to be on the sidewalk the same as anyone else.

    Whether some 3rd party said s/he saw him selling cigarettes adds up to nothing - and those officers knew it. They were just trying to make a shop owner stop complaining by telling Garner to move on.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Let me know when you want to discuss this case, not Ferguson, especially the facts.

    Why are you so wrapped up in Hell?
    When folks like you are so willing to accuse police officers of wrongdoing before you look at the whole picture, if things don't change real soon, it will be Hell, cause the police you beat down, might not be so willing to lay their ass on the line for those who think so little of them.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That makes no sense. If the only "witness" is an undercover cop, if does not testify there can be no trial. Certainly that speculation on your part does not add up to a fact.
    An undercover cop can get the illegal action on video.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    When folks like you are so willing to accuse police officers of wrongdoing before you look at the whole picture, if things don't change real soon, it will be Hell, cause the police you beat down, might not be so willing to lay their ass on the line for those who think so little of them.
    You are so biased you can't see the forrest for the trees.

    I have stated facts, not opinion. You on the other hand have not.

    The whole picture will bring back the life of Eric Garner? How about any part of the picture?

    No, and no...

    I didn't beat down the police. They don't to seem to need my help.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    When folks like you are so willing to accuse police officers of wrongdoing before you look at the whole picture, if things don't change real soon, it will be Hell, cause the police you beat down, might not be so willing to lay their ass on the line for those who think so little of them.
    So is that what the cop who killed Eric Garner did, lay his ass on the line for him?
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