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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I would think so. I dont think the cop was purposely trying to kill Garner. But I do think he was "accidentally using lethal force" while not accidentally using overzealous force. He knew he was being too rough. He just didnt know it would cause death.
    You think this because you have not seen the evidence. Perhaps you would still think that if you had, but it's doubtful as the GJ is 23 strong, racially diverse and their decision to not indict was unanimous.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I agree that they probably do and if they don't they can get it. Not sure what would motivate them to do so. Maybe during the civil trial though we'll probably be talking about something else and have forgotten this case by then.

    Well it seems I'm wrong. CNN says the family released the autopsy report to them. They've recited from the summary but nothing else.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Well it seems I'm wrong. CNN says the family released the autopsy report to them. They've recited from the summary but nothing else.
    Did they mention when they would release the entire thing?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The crazy thing about all this, to me, is that the grand jury's job isn't to determine culpability, it is simply to determine if something happened that needs determination as to whether the guy involved was to blame. This particular case seems absolutely open and shut regarding that. It is simply baffling to me that a grand jury looked at the tape and said "nah, this doesn't have to go to trial." Utterly mind-boggling.

    One thing that happened in both this case and the Ferguson case that is a major deviation from protocol is allowing the focus of the grand jury hearing -- the police officers involved -- to make statements to the grand jury. The cop in the Garner case talked for two hours to the grand jury about how he didn't mean to hurt Garner. Prosecutors simply don't treat cop defendants like regular defendants.
    Yes "the tape" we have all seen recorded by his friend. Yet there are two other tapes recorded by two other by-standers that we haven't seen that the Grand Jury were privy to. The tape that was void of the altercation between the cop and Garner pushing him into a glass window of a business is not recorded on the tape made by his friend we have all seen. The officer trying to talk to Garner to co-operate with his arrest which grand jury testimony was confirmed by witnesses is not on the tape that Garner's friend created. But all of it may very well be on that videoed by two other by-standers along with the owner of the shop who witnessed it where the allocation took place. But when you got political groups, public officials in high positions, special interest groups, sending messages out that Grand Juries are racists, that prosecutors are racists, that cops are racists and can't be trusted, fueled by the media the distrust is overwhelming and unjustified/unfounded at this time.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes "the tape" we have all seen recorded by his friend. Yet there are two other tapes recorded by two other by-standers that we haven't seen that the Grand Jury were privy to. The tape that was void of the altercation between the cop and Garner pushing him into a glass window of a business is not recorded on the tape made by his friend we have all seen. The officer trying to talk to Garner to co-operate with his arrest which grand jury testimony was confirmed by witnesses is not on the tape that Garner's friend created. But all of it may very well be on that videoed by two other by-standers along with the owner of the shop who witnessed it where the allocation took place. But when you got political groups, public officials in high positions, special interest groups, sending messages out that Grand Juries are racists, that prosecutors are racists, that cops are racists and can't be trusted, fueled by the media the distrust is overwhelming and unjustified/unfounded at this time.
    Hundreds of times now armchair warriors have falsely claimed Mr. Garner was being arrested - and that he resisted that arrest. Then on that known false claim justify Mr. Garner's death with endless personal attacks against him for his weight. Blame the victim theory.

    Who says that is a lie? The officer they claim jumped on him for their known false claim he was being arrested. The officer who did the chokehold himself stated his actions were to "detain" Garner to held for questioning. At no time was Mr. Garner told he was under arrest nor that he being arrested, and in fact he was not being arrested and was not arrested.

    Nor has anything been shown Mr. Garner was told he was being detained.

    But never mind the truth, they know what they are posting is always false every time they post it. Instead, they deliberately continue to incessant keep posting FALSELY that he was "resisting arrest" and then rant and lecture about the known false declaration.

    I can not recall as much deliberate and incessant dishonesty, covert expressions of racism and ideological motivated ignorance posted upstairs as in this thread.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Hundreds of times now the police worshippers have falsely claimed Mr. Garner was being arrested - and that he resisted that arrest.

    The officer who did the chokehold himself stated his actions were to "detain" Garner to held for questioning.

    But never mind the truth, just keep posting FALSELY that he was "resisting arrest" and then rant and lecture about the known false declaration.
    No you are mistaken. The undercover officer caught Garner selling loosies, something the Chief of Police passed down to the precincts just days prior to crack down on. On his patrol he was observing drug activity as well as untaxed cigarettes because almost all of the cigarettes consumed in NY these days are black market due to the high taxes. When an undercover cop sees an illegal act he radios in the activity. Think about it, why would an undercover cop give away his identiy in an area he works? Especially over untaxed cigarettes? Think!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't think there was ever any doubt as to who the players were, was there?
    No, its the denial about what happened, not who, as you put it, the players were.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post


    After 222 pages and someone is still without a clue. No, in fact, he doesn't die in the video, no one is killed in the video. The actions in the video are a few of the things that contributed to his death.
    You must be a bad politician or a sleazy attorney. What

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Hundreds of times now armchair warriors have falsely claimed Mr. Garner was being arrested - and that he resisted that arrest. Then on that known false claim justify Mr. Garner's death with endless personal attacks against him for his weight. Blame the victim theory.

    Who says that is a lie? The officer they claim jumped on him for their known false claim he was being arrested. The officer who did the chokehold himself stated his actions were to "detain" Garner to held for questioning. At no time was Mr. Garner told he was under arrest nor that he being arrested, and in fact he was not being arrested and was not arrested.

    Nor has anything been shown Mr. Garner was told he was being detained.

    But never mind the truth, they know what they are posting is always false every time they post it. Instead, they deliberately continue to incessant keep posting FALSELY that he was "resisting arrest" and then rant and lecture about the known false declaration.

    I can not recall as much deliberate and incessant dishonesty, covert expressions of racism and ideological motivated ignorance posted upstairs as in this thread.
    No it has nothing to with "incessant dishonesty" "covert expressions of racism" or "ideological motivated ignorance" . It has everything to do with people being challenged and not caring to "deal" with "face up to" unwillingness to vitally separate out the actions of the police from the rationale for their action. That’s because by virtually any logic, it is the height of irresponsibility not to. If anyone is showing themselves as an "armchair warrior" it is you. For because you watch one video recorded by a friend of Garner and now you are an expert what really happened when you have no idea the amount of evidence presented to the Grand Jury nor the testimony they heard that resulted in their decision. You are not familiar with NYC regulations what is acceptable force discerning what is a submission hold versus a chokehold. But the Grand Jury no doubt was schooled on it. Have a nice day.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes "the tape" we have all seen recorded by his friend. Yet there are two other tapes recorded by two other by-standers that we haven't seen that the Grand Jury were privy to. The tape that was void of the altercation between the cop and Garner pushing him into a glass window of a business is not recorded on the tape made by his friend we have all seen. The officer trying to talk to Garner to co-operate with his arrest which grand jury testimony was confirmed by witnesses is not on the tape that Garner's friend created. But all of it may very well be on that videoed by two other by-standers along with the owner of the shop who witnessed it where the allocation took place. But when you got political groups, public officials in high positions, special interest groups, sending messages out that Grand Juries are racists, that prosecutors are racists, that cops are racists and can't be trusted, fueled by the media the distrust is overwhelming and unjustified/unfounded at this time.
    Ya and it probably has people screaming at the cops to start resuscitation. And the cop smiling and waving as the ambulance drove away.
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