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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Incorrect definition. You inserted a word in there that isn't always the case - "intentional".
    No, you just didn't read what I wrote.

    I explicitly said that the ME's ruling did not mean or prove that the officers intended to kill him. It means that the deliberate actions of the officers resulted in Garner's death.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It's a fool that listens to the sensationalism through media, who wasn't there, and has very limited privy to the evidence/testimony the Grand Jury was given.

    But there are a great number of you that feel that way. How someone can come to such a conclusion without all the facts is beyond me, but there are a lot of folks like you. Many of them are laying on the ground over bridges, stopping traffic, and not allowing EMT workers to answer calls for help. Same with the police. Not to mention the disruption they are placing on the lives of many people. These "organized" protests by special interest groups are keeping cops off their beat just to maintain order. So many other folks are put at risk of the really bad people out there.

    Today I heard of a protest going on in Denver over this case, where a police officer on a bicycle was there to aid in students protests to insure order, only to have a car rev up his engine and run him down dragging him for several feet. He is in critical condition after going through several surgeries. And the group mostly black he was assisting, cheered and shouted, "run over him again"!

    I only hope there is a special place in Hell for those who have instigated this rush to justice, over race baiters and a media out of control.

    Take off the blinders. The police officer killed Eric Garner. Deal with it.

    Instigated a rush to justice? He was killed about four months ago.

    Your bias is showing. Ever think there may be a special place in Hell for those who those who wish Hell on others?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    No, you just didn't read what I wrote.

    I explicitly said that the ME's ruling did not mean or prove that the officers intended to kill him. It means that the deliberate actions of the officers resulted in Garner's death.
    I read what you wrote. I quoted what you wrote, too. You said it was by definition "intentional actions", and I corrected you. "Intentional" is not in the official definition of the word "homicide".
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Where is the autopsy report in any of those links?
    Read some of them. They're quoting the ME's report. If you have a better source, feel free to provide the AP with a copy.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Don't waste your time. I gave those links a look and none of them quote the autopsy, most don't even quoted directly the ME.
    None of those links quote the Medical Examiner.

    "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," said medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer.

    Julie Bolcer is ‎Director of Public Affairs at NYC Office of Chief Medical Examiner. She is NOT the Medical Examiner.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Oh, right. DP is the authoritative site for the ME's quote.
    See Joko's post #2041

    Yes you are. Most of those links don't quote the autopsy of the ME. The one that purports to doesn't quote the ME directly. To prove me wrong, you're going to need at least a direct quote from the ME or the autopsy. Something you have not thus far managed.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Read some of them. They're quoting the ME's report. If you have a better source, feel free to provide the AP with a copy.
    Link the autopsy report please.

    I read all the links. I'm asking you what the autopsy report says on it.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    None of those links quote the Medical Examiner.

    "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," said medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer.

    Julie Bolcer is ‎Director of Public Affairs at NYC Office of Chief Medical Examiner. She is NOT the Medical Examiner.
    So the person hired to relate the medical examiner's findings... is not to be trusted as an accurate source of information?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    No, you just didn't read what I wrote.

    I explicitly said that the ME's ruling did not mean or prove that the officers intended to kill him. It means that the deliberate actions of the officers resulted in Garner's death.
    You'd be accurate with that statement if you removed the "deliberate", but you apparently just can't help yourself.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Read some of them. They're quoting the ME's report. If you have a better source, feel free to provide the AP with a copy.
    No, again, that's your problem. NONE of those links directly quote the autopsy or the ME.

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