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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Then you didn't read the coroner's report. The police officer surely did make sure he stopped breathing forever. It was ruled a homicide. In other words, the officer killed him.
    Are you claiming that the police officer intended for Garner to die?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I was going off of what was being put out. If he did stop breathing, then someone should have helped him. If the EMTs were there before he actually stopped breathing, then they should have been doing the actions, but I had been told that he was dead when they put him on the stretcher. I just don't know what went on in between. There is no reason that they couldn't have given CPR if he did stop breathing though and they should be equipped for it, otherwise that is a major problem with the police in that area. Definitely expect police to be able to perform basic medical and first aid, including knowing CPR and being able to do it. So, did the medical personnel show up before or after he stopped breathing?
    I posted the reports, he died either in the ambulance or the hospital. He had a heart attack in the ambulance so he was definitely alive after the scene.

    As to officers giving CPR, it's not about training in CPR, they all have that. It's about the protective gear EMT's use to shield them from disease transmission during CPR. And chest compressions while someone is breathing is definitely not a helpful thing.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That is not the same quote of the coroner's determination that has been posted here.
    Oh, right. DP is the authoritative site for the ME's quote.


    In the original quote it mentions body positioning, NOT the prone position. And the GJ found there was no or insufficient evidence of excessive force, thus, you're just making stuff up.
    No, dude, I'm not making anything up. This quote is all over the media.

    BBC News - Eric Garner: No charges in NY chokehold case
    NYPD officer who killed Eric Garner in chokehold won't face criminal charges - Vox
    Eric Garner 'chokehold' death: Attorney General to launch civil rights probe - Americas - World - The Independent
    Death of Eric Garner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Actual Facts of The Eric Garner Case

    Just do yourself a favor, and recognize that you're wrong on this point.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, we know. Every white/black/asian person out there who supports the protests is a race baiter. Hey, you ever prove that Obama claimed police were out to harass black men?
    Obama likes it when Mayors like de Blasio imply his police force is racist and untrustworthy in a nationally covered speech. Obama later called and praised de Blasio for his words.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're correct, the ME does state the police actions directly resulted in his death along with several contributing factors. However, the GJ found no/insufficient evidence that the police acted illegally.
    That does not disprove the claim that the police killed him.

    Nor are we required to accept that the grand jury acted perfectly... or even in the interests of justice. Or perhaps you believe that every criminal proceeding and/or decision of a court is 100% correct, and beyond any further analysis and/or criticism?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Where is the autopsy report in any of those links?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Obama likes it when Mayors like de Blasio imply his police force is racist and untrustworthy in a nationally covered speech. Obama later called and praised de Blasio for his words.
    Obama is granting his attention to Al Sharpton and calling him in to the WH for meetings. Obama's actions have been repulsive.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Obama likes it when Mayors like de Blasio imply his police force is racist and untrustworthy in a nationally covered speech. Obama later called and praised de Blasio for his words.
    Imply that by saying? You know, you're really bad at this. I'll ask you one last time: Can you show us Obama claiming cops are out to harass black men?

    I'll wait.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Where is the autopsy report in any of those links?
    Don't waste your time. I gave those links a look and none of them quote the autopsy, most don't even quoted directly the ME.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Obama is granting his attention to Al Sharpton and calling him in to the WH for meetings. Obama's actions have been repulsive.
    To be honest, there's not much Obama can do but call Sharpton. New York really is his town when it comes to support from the black population. As much as white people hate to admit it, he's a community leader there who has run soup kitchens, clothing runs and fund raisers for causes important to New Yorkers. Who else is Obama going to ask for help in making sure these demonstrations don't get out of hand? The chief of police? New York City is not Ferguson, Missouri. New Yorkers regardless of their race wouldn't take well to having armored vehicles and people shooting smoke grenades into them.
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