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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Death of Eric Garner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Just as every news report I've read says. I don't know if he died in the ambulance or the hospital.
    Do you realize that it was the police's actions which led to his heart attack and that's why it was ruled a homicide? You act as if this guy was going to have a heart attack one way or another.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Go back to trying to troll others now. Got your number.
    Clownboy, you want to tell us at what minute the police told him to leave?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Hello Μολὼν λαβέ.

    The facts are, Garner was still breathing when the EMT showed up. He later died of a heart attack. You can't have a heart attack if you have stopped breathing.
    On Aug. 1, a New York City medical examiner determined that the cause of death in the Garner case was “homicide,” specifically the neck compressions from the Pantaleo’s chokehold and “the compression of [Garner’s] chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police,” according to spokeswoman, Julie Bolcer.

    Nobody should dispute that Pantaleo committed homicide—that fact was determined Aug. 1.
    So homicide means the officer killed him.

    http://time.com/3618279/eric-garner-...niel-pantaleo/
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The victim is the government that wants to tax cigarettes at about 200%. Why else would the government think that using at least five officers to affect a single arrest for selling "loosies" was a good idea? This was a case of government (the huge nanny state?) gone wild on many levels.
    Good gravy.

    This has nothing to do with cigarette taxes. The reason why five officers showed up is because the NYPD always tries to overwhelm suspects when backup is called, or if there's an incident.

    For example, in November a 20 yr old man (Donovan Lawson) jumped a turnstile for the subway. For the crime of skipping out on a $2.75 fare, an officer beat the unarmed Donovan on the head with a nightstick and dragged him out of the station. Within minutes, 2 more officers showed up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVoOQbDT1QE

    Blaming the use of excessive force on "cigarette taxes" is beyond ridiculous. It's not because of cigarette laws, it's because the checks and balances on the NYPD are failing, and they can abuse citizens with impunity.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So homicide means the officer killed him.
    Homicide in every definition of the word means one person caused the injuries that led to another person's death. The fine points such as intent can be defined. However, when an event such as this is labeled a homicide it means one person acted in such a way that it led to another person's death.

    That people are sitting here trying to point at heart attacks and asthma as the reason for this death is like saying Oswald didn't kill JFK, his brain exiting his skull did. It's disgustingly dishonest but what are we going to do? From now on, if a woman is murdered and raped, her rapist didn't kill her, the internal bleeding did. Someone dies in a car accident? The drunk driver didn't kill him, his body flying through the screen did. You have to love the full circle of apologism that has gone on in this thread.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Death of Eric Garner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Just as every news report I've read says. I don't know if he died in the ambulance or the hospital.
    Once the ambulance report comes out I'd like to see it. The 4 EMS workers were put on leave after the incident so I'm hoping there's some follow up. I won't take Wikipedia as a source and most of the other sources like the NY Post, NY Times, Channel 4 - they don't identify where he actually died other than to say he was pronounced dead at Richmond University Medical Center.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You can believe your opinion or you can believe the facts. The police officer committed a homicide by killing Eric Garner.
    It's a fool that listens to the sensationalism through media, who wasn't there, and has very limited privy to the evidence/testimony the Grand Jury was given.

    But there are a great number of you that feel that way. How someone can come to such a conclusion without all the facts is beyond me, but there are a lot of folks like you. Many of them are laying on the ground over bridges, stopping traffic, and not allowing EMT workers to answer calls for help. Same with the police. Not to mention the disruption they are placing on the lives of many people. These "organized" protests by special interest groups are keeping cops off their beat just to maintain order. So many other folks are put at risk of the really bad people out there.

    Today I heard of a protest going on in Denver over this case, where a police officer on a bicycle was there to aid in students protests to insure order, only to have a car rev up his engine and run him down dragging him for several feet. He is in critical condition after going through several surgeries. And the group mostly black he was assisting, cheered and shouted, "run over him again"!

    I only hope there is a special place in Hell for those who have instigated this rush to justice, over race baiters and a media out of control.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Yes. It means that the intentional actions of another human being caused Garner's death. (Not that there was an intent to kill, only that deliberate actions caused the death.)

    And again, the ME found that his health was a contributing factor, but that "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police" (emphasis added) caused Garner's death.

    I.e. if the police hadn't used excessive force on him, he'd very likely still be alive.
    Incorrect definition. You inserted a word in there that isn't always the case - "intentional". You do know that involuntary manslaughter is a homicide, or maybe you don't? There are no "intentional actions" that result in death in involuntary manslaughter. And by definition, involuntary manslaughter is a homicide.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, that would be accurate if read without your obvious bias. However, in this case the GJ found there was no or insufficient evidence of excessive force. So that makes this a legal homicide. You really need to try to understand what that determination means when used in terms of autopsy.
    The bias is all on you. I have stated facts.

    Did the officer kill Eric Garner?

    Yes or no?

    Let's see you dodge this one.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It's a fool that listens to the sensationalism through media, who wasn't there, and has very limited privy to the evidence/testimony the Grand Jury was given.

    But there are a great number of you that feel that way. How someone can come to such a conclusion without all the facts is beyond me, but there are a lot of folks like you. Many of them are laying on the ground over bridges, stopping traffic, and not allowing EMT workers to answer calls for help. Same with the police. Not to mention the disruption they are placing on the lives of many people. These "organized" protests by special interest groups are keeping cops off their beat just to maintain order. So many other folks are put at risk of the really bad people out there.

    Today I heard of a protest going on in Denver over this case, where a police officer on a bicycle was there to aid in students protests to insure order, only to have a car rev up his engine and run him down dragging him for several feet. He is in critical condition after going through several surgeries. And the group mostly black he was assisting, cheered and shouted, "run over him again"!

    I only hope there is a special place in Hell for those who have instigated this rush to justice, over race baiters and a media out of control.
    Yes, we know. Every white/black/asian person out there who supports the protests is a race baiter. Hey, you ever prove that Obama claimed police were out to harass black men?
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