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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Do you know what homicide means when a coroner rules it?
    Yes. It means that the intentional actions of another human being caused Garner's death. (Not that there was an intent to kill, only that deliberate actions caused the death.)

    And again, the ME found that his health was a contributing factor, but that "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police" (emphasis added) caused Garner's death.

    I.e. if the police hadn't used excessive force on him, he'd very likely still be alive.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    The words I chose state fact.
    Hello Μολὼν λαβέ.

    The facts are, Garner was still breathing when the EMT showed up. He later died of a heart attack. You can't have a heart attack if you have stopped breathing.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    As you've been shown by the evidence we do have, no, your chosen words and their implication are absolutely false.
    You can believe your opinion or you can believe the facts. The police officer committed a homicide by killing Eric Garner.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, you finally got one right.
    Must be why you've been running away from me all thread.

    You deserve your long awaited victory dig in the last comment.

    Seems really stupid though, but considering the dealers involved, not a surprise. There are like ten reservations in NY state, all of which sell cigs with NO taxes, not state or federal. You can get close to the same deal online. Your exposure to the ATF is about the same as the fellow going to another state to get them.

    And not just stupid for the vendors, but the smokers as well.
    Keep telling us about your sob story on cigarette peddlers and how they have a special place in hell. That's going to really move us away from the fact that you could never tell us in which part of the video police told someone to move along.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Yes. It means that the intentional actions of another human being caused Garner's death. (Not that there was an intent to kill, only that deliberate actions caused the death.)

    And again, the ME found that his health was a contributing factor, but that "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police" (emphasis added) caused Garner's death.

    I.e. if the police hadn't used excessive force on him, he'd very likely still be alive.
    That is not the same quote of the coroner's determination that has been posted here. In the original quote it mentions body positioning, NOT the prone position. And the GJ found there was no or insufficient evidence of excessive force, thus, you're just making stuff up.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Must be why you've been running away from me all thread.



    Keep telling us about your sob story on cigarette peddlers and how they have a special place in hell. That's going to really move us away from the fact that you could never tell us in which part of the video police told someone to move along.
    Go back to trying to troll others now. Got your number.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Compression of the neck isn't a collapsed windpipe. That's how someone is choked to death.
    I didn't say anything about a "collapsed windpipe." Again: You asked, and I quote: "The ME said the police killed him? Link?"

    The media reported the ME's opinion on August 1st. After this much commentary on the topic, there's no excuse for not knowing this critical element.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You can believe your opinion or you can believe the facts. The police officer committed a homicide by killing Eric Garner.
    Yes, that would be accurate if read without your obvious bias. However, in this case the GJ found there was no or insufficient evidence of excessive force. So that makes this a legal homicide. You really need to try to understand what that determination means when used in terms of autopsy.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I didn't say anything about a "collapsed windpipe." Again: You asked, and I quote: "The ME said the police killed him? Link?"

    The media reported the ME's opinion on August 1st. After this much commentary on the topic, there's no excuse for not knowing this critical element.
    You're correct, the ME does state the police actions directly resulted in his death along with several contributing factors. However, the GJ found no/insufficient evidence that the police acted illegally.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    They did call for medical right away, and they are not equipped to give mouth to mouth, not to mention CPR isn't always indicated and would have actually been harmful here. He was still breathing.
    I was going off of what was being put out. If he did stop breathing, then someone should have helped him. If the EMTs were there before he actually stopped breathing, then they should have been doing the actions, but I had been told that he was dead when they put him on the stretcher. I just don't know what went on in between. There is no reason that they couldn't have given CPR if he did stop breathing though and they should be equipped for it, otherwise that is a major problem with the police in that area. Definitely expect police to be able to perform basic medical and first aid, including knowing CPR and being able to do it. So, did the medical personnel show up before or after he stopped breathing?
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