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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    No, that's absurd...

    It was the homicide victim communicating his distress until the police officer made sure he stopped breathing forever.
    Little over the top there. The police didn't "make sure he stopped breathing forever", there were much easier methods to achieve that goal if it were their aim. And so you know, police hear spurious physical complaints all the time, from just about anyone ever cuffed. People about to go in cuffs lie, it's an absolute.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Now, I personally feel that the cops still had a responsibility to check on him and the complaint, especially with at least 4 there. And they should have tried to help him once he actually stopped breathing. However, you do make a good point. I actually saw this guy on worlds dumbest complain to the female officer assisting with his booking that he was shaking from being handcuffed because it had upset him so much. He was practically accusing the other officer of traumatizing him just by cuffing him.
    They did call for medical right away, and they are not equipped to give mouth to mouth, not to mention CPR isn't always indicated and would have actually been harmful here. He was still breathing.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Little over the top there. The police didn't "make sure he stopped breathing forever", there were much easier methods to achieve that goal if it were their aim. And so you know, police hear spurious physical complaints all the time, from just about anyone ever cuffed. People about to go in cuffs lie, it's an absolute.
    Then you didn't read the coroner's report. The police officer surely did make sure he stopped breathing forever. It was ruled a homicide. In other words, the officer killed him.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    They did call for medical right away, and they are not equipped to give mouth to mouth, not to mention CPR isn't always indicated and would have actually been harmful here. He was still breathing.
    How much more harm is CPR going to give a guy without a pulse?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Or...don't give a cop the reason to arrest you. That's been my policy my whole life and it's worked perfectly.
    Still can't see why they were harassing this guy.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many of those few times was it your fault?
    Every one of them. One was kind of bull**** but I can't say I had no fault in the matter.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Then you didn't read the coroner's report. The police officer surely did make sure he stopped breathing forever. It was ruled a homicide. In other words, the officer killed him.
    You have access to the coroner's report? Post a link. I suspect what you read is the determination portion reported in the press. The entire report hasn't been released to the public AFAIK.

    And NO, the part we have access to does not indicate the "police made sure he stopped breathing forever". The wording you chose implies intent.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    How much more harm is CPR going to give a guy without a pulse?
    He had a pulse at that point. He was unconscious but breathing. He died in the ambulance, not at the scene.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So he put the chokehold on Garner...because Garner was black?
    That's not what the link was saying at all. It says that the cop has a history of going far beyond his pay grade when it comes to treating suspects.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Still can't see why they were harassing this guy.
    That part is all speculation right now. The GJ knows, the department and the city knows. But we haven't had access to the part of the event before the video. We know a few things, but not the events by timeline.

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