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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The victim is the government that wants to tax cigarettes at about 200%. Why else would the government think that using at least five officers to affect a single arrest for selling "loosies" was a good idea? This was a case of government (the huge nanny state?) gone wild on many levels.
    Well, I imagine we'll have to wait to find out why there were five officers there in the first place. I don't think it had anything to do with loosies. Could be that fight we keep hearing about. And though I hate the sin tax overreach, is that really the issue with loosies considering what they are sold for? Seems to me the number one customers would be those who cannot buy them legally.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    What I find interesting is the atty for the cop with permission released details of the testimony given to the Grand Jury. At one point the accused cop stated Garner had him pushed up against the glass window of the store and the cop felt the glass bowing in the window and feared he and Garner both were in danger of going through the window. This was surely verified that such a thing occurred by witnesses (like the store owner with a birdseye view) . Funny, I don't recall Garner's friend including that in the video he filmed . Some minor details of the Grand Jury testimony were released yesterday. I hope they release all of it ASAP.

    Edit- This video Garner's friend posted online isn't the only video that was taken of the arrest.

    Officer Pantaleo, 29, led the grand jury through the confrontation, narrating three different videos of the arrest that were taken by bystanders.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/ny...rner.html?_r=0
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The reason for using 5 officers was so the perp doesn't get hurt. One officer, might perceive a level of danger high enough use is service pistol and we KNOW how some feel about that.
    That worked out well.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's only okay to sneer at Chris Christie because he's fat.
    Meh...the people bleating about 'fat hatred' are no different than the ones throw out the words 'racist', 'homophobe' and/or 'bigot'.

    The fact is, I am quite comfortable with the coroners position that his weight and associated ailments all contributed to his death. His weight doesnt make him an asshole. 30 arrests, many of them felonies...that is a pretty solid indicator. Hanging around with his buddy the cameraman and his 27 arrests and convictions...THAT is a decnt clue as well. But his weight? Hell that just makes him a guy that eats a lot and doesnt exercise much. Thats just fact. If he walked around the block 3-4 times a day at a high rate of speed he probably would be alive today.

    The choke hold did not kill him. The cops did not kill him. He had a heart attack because he resisted arrest. And he died. And it is sad.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, I imagine we'll have to wait to find out why there were five officers there in the first place. I don't think it had anything to do with loosies. Could be that fight we keep hearing about. And though I hate the sin tax overreach, is that really the issue with loosies considering what they are sold for? Seems to me the number one customers would be those who cannot buy them legally.
    Nonsense. That would be a different charge, if you mean sales to a minor. They use an undercover officer to buy untaxed cigarettes and then send in an arrest team. They are not arresting folks for not checking ID.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That worked out well.
    If the dude hadn't been a fat, lazy piece of ****, he might have survived. The dude was a career criminal. He had been arrested 31 times. I'm having a hard time scrounging up any sympathy for him.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ask the officer. What we know and the evidence clearly shows is that the officer announced his intent and Garner resisted. Thats going to result in an arrest every time. But be honest. That HAS to be one of the tamest take downs you have witnessed of a subject twice the officers size and resisting arrest. He swung his arms and refused to comply, another officer got him around the neck and shoulders and in 8 seconds he was down and that same officer held his head and shoulders down while he was cuffed.

    He is dead because he refused to comply with the law enforcement officer. I dont know if he is guilty or not...but I DO know he had some 30 prior arrests, and many of them were felonies. If he wasnt guilty, he should have gone to court. Its not like he didnt know the way there.
    He did not "swing his arms."
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Except for the one tiny point that I accept the Grand Jury's decision and you do not.

    You have chosen tyranny over justice. I wonder why. It is very odd.
    Your accusation that those who disagree with the grand jury's decision are somehow favoring "tyranny" is utterly bat**** insane.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "This case cries out for an anti-tax rebellion. Ultimately it is liberalism that is at the root of this man's death."
    This is downright bonkers.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. That would be a different charge, if you mean sales to a minor. They use an undercover officer to buy untaxed cigarettes and then send in an arrest team. They are not arresting folks for not checking ID.
    Okay. Then I don't understand that marketplace. Why in the world would you buy 20 loosies when you could buy a pack for less money at any legal store?

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