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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, it was a chockhold. It is 100% known how a chockhold works - and has been repeatedly posted on these threads.

    A chockhold cuts off/reduces oxygen to the brain. In self defense, the brain - which requires more oxygen than any other organ and is more quickly and permanently damaged without it - immediately reduces all other body functions - including cutting the heart rate and breathing rate from 50 to 65% - meaning the person isn't getting enough oxygen.

    That is when Mr. Garner said "I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" It wasn't because his lungs couldn't get oxygen or that his windpipe was blocked. It was blood was significantly reduced and his brain was trying to save itself and him. This would have been worsened by the 150+ weight on his back.

    When the officer released his hold, Garner's heart rate would have instantly soared to a massive level of blood pressure - the brain now trying to get oxygen to it and the rest of his entire body.

    That's how chockholds kill people. That officer might as well have stuck a police taser in the center of Mr. Garner's heart.

    And then the police worshippers would be posting 1,000 times "yeah, but a tough man like ME could have taken a taser in the heart - chocke me, throw me to concrete, pile all the weight and stress on me you want - as I sit in this arm chair eating cheetos I assure you I could take anything anyone throws at me!"

    In addition to cop worship, the other fear behind their messages is the covert declaring how they have the body of a gymnast.

    Armchair macho old men bragging about how tough they are and sneering at Mr. Garner because he is obese. Hater's got to hate. It makes them feel superior somehow.
    "Chockhold"?

    How many other people did the cops kills in a "chockhold" recently?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I became a police officer to help people and to protect those who cant protect themselves," Pantaleo said. "It is never my intention to harm anyone".

    That's an odd thing to say after using an illegal choke-hold on a New York citizen who eventually died from Pantaleo's actions.
    While it was against NYPD rules, the choke hold was not actually illegal.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why did he need arresting? Couldn't they just give him a ticket?
    He had been arrested 31 times. Apparently tickets were not getting through to him.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think the question is... Would you have arrested Eric Garner for selling bootleg cigarettes? Was he actually that much of a threat to the community? According to certain people on this forum, he was a damn gang war waiting to happen. Think about it. A 40 year old guy selling cigarettes on a street corner was a turf war waiting to happen.
    It's not a victimless crime. Those so-called untaxed cigarettes mostly come from gang bangers heisting them from warehouses, burglarizing supermarkets or hijacking truckloads of them....sometimes violently.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I wouldn't. There was no probable cause.
    Evidently the Grand Jury does not agree with you.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, it was a chockhold. It is 100% known how a chockhold works - and has been repeatedly posted on these threads.

    A chockhold cuts off/reduces oxygen to the brain. In self defense, the brain - which requires more oxygen than any other organ and is more quickly and permanently damaged without it - immediately reduces all other body functions - including cutting the heart rate and breathing rate from 50 to 65% - meaning the person isn't getting enough oxygen.

    That is when Mr. Garner said "I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" It wasn't because his lungs couldn't get oxygen or that his windpipe was blocked. It was blood was significantly reduced and his brain was trying to save itself and him. This would have been worsened by the 150+ weight on his back.

    When the officer released his hold, Garner's heart rate would have instantly soared to a massive level of blood pressure - the brain now trying to get oxygen to it and the rest of his entire body.

    That's how chockholds kill people. That officer might as well have stuck a police taser in the center of Mr. Garner's heart.

    And then the police worshippers would be posting 1,000 times "yeah, but a tough man like ME could have taken a taser in the heart - chocke me, throw me to concrete, pile all the weight and stress on me you want - as I sit in this arm chair eating cheetos I assure you I could take anything anyone throws at me!"

    In addition to cop worship, the other fear behind their messages is the covert declaring how they have the body of a gymnast.

    Armchair macho old men bragging about how tough they are and sneering at Mr. Garner because he is obese. Hater's got to hate. It makes them feel superior somehow.
    Again, you're just repeating the same old mischaracterizations and debunked info to avoid being wrong and painting everyone who doesn't agree with you as "police worshippers". Btw, has anyone on this thread among the so-called worshippers expressed the opinion that the officer who violated department policy should not be fired? That pretty much lays your attempt at repair of argument by painting the other fellow to rest.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, and no. I see no mention of "prone position" and you excluded contributing factors also reported. AND you show an obvious lack of understanding autopsy reports in your retellings thus far.
    See, what we've established in this thread is that contributing factors are not relevant anymore. The ambulance chasing lawyers are going to be pissed now. If your death certificate says you die of cancer, your loved ones can no longer sue the tobacco companies anymore (and win), because the fact that the dead person smoked 2 packs of cigarettes a day isn't relevant. It was all about the cancer, and nothing about what caused it. And you can't sue cancer.

    This is also going to diminish the discussions about obesity. Obesity doesn't kill you, but it leads to diabetes. Diabetes also doesn't kill you, but it lead to things that do kill you (heart disease, strokes, heart attacks, etc.).

    And why do I think if this discussion was about a fat white man who died after he led a crappy unhealthy life that contributed to the cause of his death, said "contributing factors" would not be dismissed at the alarming rate they are in this thread?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    (please read and imagine this in a southern "country", "matter of fact" tone. Taking time for slight dramatic pauses between periods and increases in volume to the parts of import)
    Choke holds are a lethal move.... They kill people... They are chokes. They directly affect the circulatory system. Fat people are known to have weak hearts!.. This man was choked!!!
    The choke hold applied did NOT kill him. Read that in whatever dialect floats your boat.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Again, you're just repeating the same old mischaracterizations and debunked info to avoid being wrong and painting everyone who doesn't agree with you as "police worshippers". Btw, has anyone on this thread among the so-called worshippers expressed the opinion that the officer who violated department policy should not be fired? That pretty much lays your attempt at repair of argument by painting the other fellow to rest.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The choke hold applied did NOT kill him. Read that in whatever dialect floats your boat.
    I'm still waiting for someone to say when the last time was that a police officer killed someone in a choke hold. Is this a daily occurrence? It appears to be, both on the news as well as reading the hysteria on this board.
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