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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yeah... because being in a violent choke hold gasp for breath and fearing for your life wouldn't induce a heart attack...
    When I first head of this case....I thought the cop over-reacted. I am not so sure, now. If the coroner reports says there was no windpipe damage, then it it's possible that he had a heart attack and died simply from being out of shape and getting over excited over getting arrested. That happens. However we cannot expect a cop to say: Your under arrest unless you don't feel good or get excited easily. Until I have info otherwise, I will have to trust the grand jury. I seriously doubt that they would not indict if they were presented with enough evidence to suggest a crime.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's not what I meant - obviously only a few NY cops were part of this and would be indicted.
    It appears that only one NYPD officer was offered up to the GJ to take the fall. That may be exactly why the GJ refused to indict only that single NYPD officer, perhaps the GJ believed that he was simply a small part of what led to the man's death and thus not singly criminally responsible for his death.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It appears that only one NYPD officer was offered up to the GJ to take the fall. That may be exactly why the GJ refused to indict only that single NYPD officer, perhaps the GJ believed that he was simply a small part of what led to the man's death and thus not singly criminally responsible for his death.
    It stinks.... my gut just says this is wrong.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It stinks.... my gut just says this is wrong.
    It is also wrong to resist arrest, without which there would have been no cause to try to use any force at all. Basically daring police to touch you places the ball in their court. It would seem, after 30 prior arrests, that this guy should know better than to try to resist.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It is also wrong to resist arrest, without which there would have been no cause to try to use any force at all. Basically daring police to touch you places the ball in their court. It would seem, after 30 prior arrests, that this guy should know better than to try to resist.


    I didn't see resisting. I did hear him say at least 5 times saying he can't breathe.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's not a civil rights thing. It's not a dem vs. repub thing. Each incident must stand or fall on it's own merits. Ferguson and Brown is not the same as NY and Garner. IMO they got Ferguson right and they got NY oh so wrong. Everyone in NY should be frightened of the NYPD not getting indicted for Garner's death.
    While I do admit that when I first heard about this case, I thought the cop over-reacted, I would like to read the Grand Jury report on this one. I just cannot see Grand Jurists pouring over the evidence for months and coming up empty if there was something there that the officer could have been indicted on, especially in a liberal cop hating city like NYC. Perhaps the coroner's report showed that he died from a heart attack and clogged arteries and not the so-called choke hold.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post


    I didn't see resisting. I did hear him say at least 5 times saying he can't breathe.
    Watch that video again and you just might notice the difficulty that the officers had in cuffing him. That ability to speak 5 times indicates that he could breathe. Try holding your breath and talking. He died of a heart attack likely brought on by the stress of physically resisting arrest.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Watch that video again and you just might notice the difficulty that the officers had in cuffing him. That ability to speak 5 times indicates that he could breathe. Try holding your breath and talking. He died of a heart attack likely brought on by the stress of physically resisting arrest.
    The man had big wrists for all I know and that's what the difficulty was. Apparently speaking 5 times that he couldn't breathe - then he died seemed to add to the stress of the heart attack.

    I loved the part in the video where he stopped breathing and they started CPR and actively trying to save his life. Yeah the best part.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It stinks.... my gut just says this is wrong.
    No doubt this is a surprising ruling. I don't get it. But I'm willing to wait until more facts come out before I overreact, and it's so stupid to make this a racial issue every time. I swear that's all some people think everything comes down to.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    No doubt this is a surprising ruling. I don't get it. But I'm willing to wait until more facts come out before I overreact, and it's so stupid to make this a racial issue every time. I swear that's all some people think everything comes down to.
    Yeah I don't know how much of a racial issue this is.... but if a community was going to get upset at a wrongful death by the police, it's this one with Garner, not Ferguson and Brown.
    Last edited by Ockham; 12-03-14 at 08:00 PM.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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