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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So then why did the Grand Jury ignore all of that?

    (By the way, I never knew people could utter 11 sentences while being choked to death).
    Clearly, you've never seen anyone hyperventilate or have a panic attack.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Choke holds are a lethal move. They kill people. They are chokes. They directly affect the circulatory system. Fat people are known to have weak hearts. This man was choked.
    So apparently this was the only time a choke hold was used by anyone in the NYPD since the last time the NYPD choked someone to death. When was that anyway?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of COURSE its relevant. Reasonable force was used to take down an individual that was resisting arrest. The responding officers didnt beat him, taze him, or pepper spray him. The 'choke hold' which was used to take him to the ground was released once he was on the ground. He did not die of being choked to death. He did not die of a loss oxygen due to an applied choke hold. He died of a heart attack caused by the physical exertion from the event. Had he not resisted arrest, he would be here alive today enjoying cheeseburgers and cigarettes. Granted he would still be one time tying his shoes away from a heart attack, but he would most likely be alive today.

    A grand jury decided the cops actions did not meet criteria for trial. So...I guess we are all god then what with the circumstances and all. Right?

    Lesson...dont fight cops. He should have known better...after all, he DID have 30 opportunities to get the memo.
    I should post messages as untruthful as your messages - and as incessantly.

    "The officer first rages violent threats declaring he was going to kill him amid racist statements at Mr. Garner. However, he then told Garner - as a trick - that he could go on his way - and signaled the other officer to distract him. When the other officer did, Garner rushed him from behind with a stranglehold, and continued that stranglehold until Garner finally was no longer breathing or moving. He then said to another officer, "that's how you scratch another n.....r."

    All that was edited out of the video.

    While your messages incessantly claim that his being told he was under arrest was edited out of the video - and then post it is at a fact over and over and over and over - making it up out of thin air every time.

    And, repeatedly, your messages claim you are more an expert than a medical examiner - over and over and over and over - except falsely presenting what the medical examiner said - over and over and over.

    At least the chocking cop didn't strip Mr. Garner naked after he was dead. Apparently, he only strips living victims of his. Abusing African-Americans and ordering them to strip naked in public also is part of his "training" - as you put it in your messages.

    It already is your opinion that people should disregard law enforcement memos, isn't it? Like "no choke holds."

    Where is your proof that Mr. Garner ate cheeseburgers - since you have posted that as fact many times. Or is that as well founded and backed up as your other fact claims?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Clearly, you've never seen anyone hyperventilate or have a panic attack.
    I have. But this wasn't a panic attack or hyperventilation.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Exactly!

    Add to it the fact that the coroner even listed Garner's death as a "homicide"; that alone should have warranted a jury trial.
    So then why did the Grand Jury members disagree? Has there been anything put out yet on the trial?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    He was just fine before they put him in a choke hold and compressed his chest.

    It didn't help that they neglected to revive him for several minutes after he lost consciousness. Got a good way to dispense with that form of negligence, too?
    Unfortunately it wasn't a gang of muggers that jumped him with a stranglehold while others threw him to the ground crushing him to take his wallet, rather than a group of police officers trying to get money from him claiming he had gotten some from selling cigarettes.

    If this had been a gang who was doing these exact same things: 1.) other people might have come to his aid, 2.) the officers who were otherwise standing around have come to his aid and 3.) the EMTs might have done CPR.

    Sadly, Mr. Garner wasn't attacked by a street gang. He was attacked by the police - which meant he was alone, unprotected, with no rights, it certain no one would help him and his death a certainty.

    If this had been an identical street gang attack, he'd be alive today.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Unfortunately it wasn't a gang of muggers that jumped him with a stranglehold while others threw him to the ground crushing him to take his wallet, rather than a group of police officers trying to get money from him claiming he had gotten some from selling cigarettes.

    If this had been a gang who was doing these exact same things: 1.) other people might have come to his aid, 2.) the officers who were otherwise standing around have come to his aid and 3.) the EMTs might have done CPR.

    Sadly, Mr. Garner wasn't attacked by a street gang. He was attacked by the police - which meant he was alone, unprotected, with no rights, it certain no one would help him and his death a certainty.

    If this had been an identical street gang attack, he'd be alive today.
    Except of course if someone from the street gang shot him. Because we all know how cuddly street gangs are.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Neck compression implies he was choked to death. He wasnt. Chest compression implies someone impaired heart or lung function that killed him. It didnt happen. His heart was beating and he was breathing when they put him in the ambulance. An educated guess would be that he wasstill experiencing a heart attack at the time and that is what eventually killed him. A heart attack because he was morbidly obese, had an enlarged heart and organs, and his body failed him. It will be good for them to actually release the ME report.

    I'd prefer that they released the ME report as well, and I actually looked for it, but it seems under NY law only next of kin can get copies.

    Without that though in all the news reports I saw the ME was quite specific about chest and neck compression as the primary causes. There was no mention of a heart attack. So at this point anything else would just be speculation.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Dude? The ME ruled it a homicide, and explicitly cited compression of the neck, chest and being held in a prone position. How can you not know that?
    Yes, and no. I see no mention of "prone position" and you excluded contributing factors also reported. AND you show an obvious lack of understanding autopsy reports in your retellings thus far.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I have. But this wasn't a panic attack or hyperventilation.
    No, it was a chockhold. It is 100% known how a chockhold works - and has been repeatedly posted on these threads.

    A chockhold cuts off/reduces oxygen to the brain. In self defense, the brain - which requires more oxygen than any other organ and is more quickly and permanently damaged without it - immediately reduces all other body functions - including cutting the heart rate and breathing rate from 50 to 65% - meaning the person isn't getting enough oxygen.

    That is when Mr. Garner said "I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" It wasn't because his lungs couldn't get oxygen or that his windpipe was blocked. It was blood was significantly reduced and his brain was trying to save itself and him. This would have been worsened by the 150+ weight on his back.

    When the officer released his hold, Garner's heart rate would have instantly soared to a massive level of blood pressure - the brain now trying to get oxygen to it and the rest of his entire body.

    That's how chockholds kill people. That officer might as well have stuck a police taser in the center of Mr. Garner's heart.

    And then the police worshippers would be posting 1,000 times "yeah, but a tough man like ME could have taken a taser in the heart - chocke me, throw me to concrete, pile all the weight and stress on me you want - as I sit in this arm chair eating cheetos I assure you I could take anything anyone throws at me!"

    In addition to cop worship, the other fear behind their messages is the covert declaring how they have the body of a gymnast.

    Armchair macho old men bragging about how tough they are and sneering at Mr. Garner because he is obese. Hater's got to hate. It makes them feel superior somehow.

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