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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Uh... Did you not notice that I'm advancing the medical examiner's position, and that apdst is the one denying that the police killed him?
    The ME said the police killed him? Link?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Stop right there, absolutely wrong in every sense.
    It is not wrong in every sense, but it is not wrong in every sense. Contributing factors are not the decisive factor. it is absurd to claim it is.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Uh... Did you not notice that I'm advancing the medical examiner's position, and that apdst is the one denying that the police killed him?
    No, you are advancing your misunderstanding of what the ME has reported.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    NO, no he wasn't. His state of health has been posted numerous times. Why continue to post falsehoods?


    He was breathing, he was walking, he was not having a heart attack until the police used force on him. And it's the medical examiner who claimed that compression to Garner's neck and chest were instrumental in his death. Please try to keep up.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He was "just fine"? Then why did the coroner list medical conditions - asthma, obesity and high blood pressure - as "contributing factors" in his death?
    He was breathing, he was walking, he was not having a heart attack until the police used force on him. And it's the medical examiner who claimed that compression to Garner's neck and chest were instrumental in his death. Please try to keep up.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is not wrong in every sense, but it is not wrong in every sense. Contributing factors are not the decisive factor. it is absurd to claim it is.
    It's wrong in a legal sense and wrong in a moral sense, what else is left. Contributing factors are not irrelevant as claimed by the original post.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Because they were contributing factors.

    If a 2 year old dies of sexual assault - the small size and age also would be "a contributing factor." Throwing a 95 year old to concrete and the person died of it, age and frailness would be "a contributing factor."

    Do you think that is a defense? Why?
    Please show me a coroner's report that lists "small size and age" as a "contributing factor" on an autopsy report on a child who dies of a sexual assault. How do you die of a sexual assault anyway? Penetration?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post


    He was breathing, he was walking, he was not having a heart attack until the police used force on him. And it's the medical examiner who claimed that compression to Garner's neck and chest were instrumental in his death. Please try to keep up.

    None of that means he was doing alright physically.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    He was breathing, he was walking, he was not having a heart attack until the police used force on him. And it's the medical examiner who claimed that compression to Garner's neck and chest were instrumental in his death. Please try to keep up.
    And the same coroner said that his medical issues were contributing factors in his death. In other words, he didn't just die because of a chokehold.

    I'm keeping up...it appears you are not.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    "Contributing factors" are irrelevant. It is the direct causation of death that is relevant. The fact that he was obese does make his life worth less or mean that a homicide is not a homicide, which is the tone that many seem to apply here.

    As a matter of illustration, there is a guy here in Colorado that is serving a life sentence for manslaughter for a "mercy killing" of his 90 year old father. I'm certain that wasn't a very difficult "kill"... and surely the father's age and fragility were "contributing factors" in his death. Those factors, however, had zero weight in the determination of the guy's guilt and seemed have zero weight with the judge, who showed no mercy when pronouncing sentence.

    A homicide is a homicide.
    Of COURSE its relevant. Reasonable force was used to take down an individual that was resisting arrest. The responding officers didnt beat him, taze him, or pepper spray him. The 'choke hold' which was used to take him to the ground was released once he was on the ground. He did not die of being choked to death. He did not die of a loss oxygen due to an applied choke hold. He died of a heart attack caused by the physical exertion from the event. Had he not resisted arrest, he would be here alive today enjoying cheeseburgers and cigarettes. Granted he would still be one time tying his shoes away from a heart attack, but he would most likely be alive today.

    A grand jury decided the cops actions did not meet criteria for trial. So...I guess we are all god then what with the circumstances and all. Right?

    Lesson...dont fight cops. He should have known better...after all, he DID have 30 opportunities to get the memo.

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