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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    He was just fine before they put him in a choke hold and compressed his chest.

    It didn't help that they neglected to revive him for several minutes after he lost consciousness. Got a good way to dispense with that form of negligence, too?
    He was "just fine"? Then why did the coroner list medical conditions - asthma, obesity and high blood pressure - as "contributing factors" in his death?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Which is why its a better comparison. Garner assualted no one. If a crack head punches me once and I choke him, he dies. Its my fault. Garner is on a pedastal above that. He never did any voilence what so ever.
    No, your example doesn't work because who would have have committed a crime as your act was in self defense because an assault was being initiated against you. "Fault" is an ethical question.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is your reasoning. The action that lead to his death and endangered everyone was correct because it subdued him. That is YOUR claim.
    "Endangered everyone", how so? And no, I don't trust your reasoning enough to allow you to evaluate mine. Not from what you've posted here.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But do you really need to have his commentary/account confirmed? Can we not accept eyewitness testimony or accept what we see with our own eyes from the video account?

    A few things are plainly clear and cannot be denied:

    - Mr. Garner was attacked from behind by NYPD while trying to explain to them "he did nothing wrong" (in his opinion).
    - The cops on the scene never announced they were placing Mr. Garner under arrest before they moved in to subdue him.
    - Mr. Garner was never "Mirandized" (read his rights). (But to be fair, he was never taken into custody.)
    - At least one NYPD officer continued to use excessive force even after Mr. Garner "stopped resisting". (You can even hear one police officer say "he's not resisting" in the video as other officers continued to subdue him while he was on the ground.)
    - Mr. Garner stated at least 11 times "I can't breath" and police continued to subdue him even when it was clear he wasn't resisting arrest and he was in physical distress.

    You don't need vetting to see the above as actual facts of events as they played out.
    So then why did the Grand Jury ignore all of that?

    (By the way, I never knew people could utter 11 sentences while being choked to death).
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    "Contributing factors" are irrelevant. It is the direct causation of death that is relevant.
    Stop right there, absolutely wrong in every sense.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He was "just fine"? Then why did the coroner list medical conditions - asthma, obesity and high blood pressure - as "contributing factors" in his death?
    Because they were contributing factors.

    If a 2 year old dies of sexual assault - the small size and age also would be "a contributing factor." Throwing a 95 year old to concrete and the person died of it, age and frailness would be "a contributing factor."

    Do you think that is a defense? Why?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    He was just fine before they put him in a choke hold and compressed his chest.

    It didn't help that they neglected to revive him for several minutes after he lost consciousness. Got a good way to dispense with that form of negligence, too?
    He was a heart attack looking for a place to happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    "The medical examiner said compression of the neck and chest, along with Garner's positioning on the ground while being restrained by police during the July 17 stop on Staten Island, caused his death."

    He's a medical examiner. Who are you? Tell us your medical and autopsy credentials.
    Uh... Did you not notice that I'm advancing the medical examiner's position, and that apdst is the one denying that the police killed him?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Because they were contributing factors.

    If a 2 year old dies of sexual assault - the small size and age also would be "a contributing factor." Throwing a 95 year old to concrete and the person died of it, age and frailness would be "a contributing factor."

    Do you think that is a defense? Why?
    No defense needed since there was no crime.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Because they were contributing factors.

    If a 2 year old dies of sexual assault - the small size and age also would be "a contributing factor." Throwing a 95 year old to concrete and the person died of it, age and frailness would be "a contributing factor."

    Do you think that is a defense? Why?
    No, not on an autopsy report it wouldn't. Here's where you highlight your misunderstanding of what the portion of the report we are privy to says.

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