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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    He was just fine before they put him in a choke hold and compressed his chest.

    It didn't help that they neglected to revive him for several minutes after he lost consciousness. Got a good way to dispense with that form of negligence, too?


    "The medical examiner said compression of the neck and chest, along with Garner's positioning on the ground while being restrained by police during the July 17 stop on Staten Island, caused his death."

    He's a medical examiner. Who are you? Tell us your medical and autopsy credentials.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your 99.9999999% is overstated. That's less than 1 person - in the entire country or even the entire world.
    It wasn't a real ****ing number.

    But technically it's not less than 1 person, it would be 3.25 people. And it isn't a real ****ing number.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Sure, I'll let you suggest that policy since you dreamed it up. Anything else you want to tell us about yourself because that comment is pretty revealing.
    It is your reasoning. The action that lead to his death and endangered everyone was correct because it subdued him. That is YOUR claim.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    He was just fine before they put him in a choke hold and compressed his chest.

    It didn't help that they neglected to revive him for several minutes after he lost consciousness. Got a good way to dispense with that form of negligence, too?
    NO, no he wasn't. His state of health has been posted numerous times. Why continue to post falsehoods?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    So what do the protestors want exactly?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It wasn't a real ****ing number.

    But technically it's not less than 1 person, it would be 3.25 people. And it isn't a real ****ing number.
    Hmmm... 9,999,999.... 350,000,000. OK, you got me!

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, that is a BAD comparison. Mr. Garner has not punched anyone nor threatened anyone.
    Which is why its a better comparison. Garner assualted no one. If a crack head punches me once and I choke him, he dies. Its my fault. Garner is on a pedastal above that. He never did any voilence what so ever.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...the coroner doesnt. In fact the coroner cited all of those problems as contributing factors.
    "Contributing factors" are irrelevant. It is the direct causation of death that is relevant. The fact that he was obese does make his life worth less or mean that a homicide is not a homicide, which is the tone that many seem to apply here.

    As a matter of illustration, there is a guy here in Colorado that is serving a life sentence for manslaughter for a "mercy killing" of his 90 year old father. I'm certain that wasn't a very difficult "kill"... and surely the father's age and fragility were "contributing factors" in his death. Those factors, however, had zero weight in the determination of the guy's guilt and seemed have zero weight with the judge, who showed no mercy when pronouncing sentence.

    A homicide is a homicide.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's just the same video we've all seen with a new commentator. None of his info has been vetted. Brings nothing new to the table.
    But do you really need to have his commentary/account confirmed? Can we not accept eyewitness testimony or accept what we see with our own eyes from the video account?

    A few things are plainly clear and cannot be denied:

    - Mr. Garner was attacked from behind by NYPD while trying to explain to them "he did nothing wrong" (in his opinion).
    - The cops on the scene never announced they were placing Mr. Garner under arrest before they moved in to subdue him.
    - Mr. Garner was never "Mirandized" (read his rights). (But to be fair, he was never taken into custody.)
    - At least one NYPD officer continued to use excessive force even after Mr. Garner "stopped resisting". (You can even hear one police officer say "he's not resisting" in the video as other officers continued to subdue him while he was on the ground.)
    - Mr. Garner stated at least 11 times "I can't breath" and police continued to subdue him even when it was clear he wasn't resisting arrest and he was in physical distress.

    You don't need vetting to see the above as actual facts of events as they played out.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So what do the protestors want exactly?
    The NYPD to stop beating up poor people for no good reason.

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