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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually no. I have seen no one on either side of the issue defending choke holds as regular police procedure. Nor violence. But his actions led to what you are characterizing as violence, which in this case was an orchestrated and trained maneuver to subdue caused entirely by his resistance to being cuffed.
    Death definitely subdues someone.

    A more effectively and safely orchestrated method to subdue Mr. Garner would have been to have shot him in the back of the head by your reasoning and justification.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Entirely wrong if you recall we're not talking about "choking someone" but a choke hold (a distinction with a difference). Otherwise are you contending all MMA wrestlers should be under charges?



    Never been choked during sex? Not my thing, but I did try it once with my then wife. Never seen an MMA cage match?
    Look.. If some random crack head punches me. And I choke them for even 1 seconds and they die. its my fault.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, you are speculating. You may be correct, but it is speculation.
    I have absolutely no doubt, and no reason to doubt, that if Garner had assaulted a cop that would be public knowledge.

    There is absolutely no legal reason for the NYPD, or the arresting officers, to withhold that information.

    Witnesses are not bound by the law to be silent. Anyone who saw the incident has a right to tell anyone they want their version of events. I haven't seen a single witness claim he punched a cop. Have you?

    And of course, claiming he did try to flee or assault an officer is not just speculation, it's baseless speculation. No one has reported any such occurrence, thus there is no reason to try and claim it. In contrast, and as I said: If he had assaulted an officer or tried to flee, the NYPD have a strong motivation to tell the public, in order to justify their conduct. They haven't.

    Thus, I am highly confident that when Garner resisted arrest, he did not flee and did not use violence.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Look.. If some random crack head punches me. And I choke them for even 1 seconds and they die. its my fault.
    What does that have to do with anything?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You'd have to understand the coroner's findings, which you so obviously do not.
    Why do you bother constantly posting what you know are wrong claims that are known untrue? In a sense it is only a self personal attack against integrity.

    "The medical examiner said compression of the neck and chest, along with Garner's positioning on the ground while being restrained by police during the July 17 stop on Staten Island, caused his death."

    It's not like this hasn't been posted dozens of times and was splashed all over every form of mass media.

    Are you confusing the Ferguson Missouri shooting of Michael Brown by Officer Wilson with this chocking death of Mr. Garner?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Death definitely subdues someone.

    A more effectively and safely orchestrated method to subdue Mr. Garner would have been to have shot him in the back of the head.
    Sure, I'll let you suggest that policy since you dreamed it up. Anything else you want to tell us about yourself because that comment is pretty revealing.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    From the San Antonio story:

    The accusations of sexual misconduct are the third against Neal, the police chief told the Express-News.

    Another woman claimed Neal attacked her a few years ago but later decided not to cooperate with investigators, McManus told the paper.

    Neal was suspended for three days in September for dating an 18-year-old member of the San Antonio Police Explorers, a program for young people interested in a career in law enforcement, the Express-News reported.




    Looks like they knew they had a bad egg on their hands and didn't do a thing about it.

    There are literally thousands of these stories in recent times? I doubt that.

    There are a handful of bad cops. Nobody would dispute that. But 99.9999999% of the population will never meet them, just like 99.999999% of the population will never meet up with a serial killer.
    Your 99.9999999% is overstated. That's less than 1 person - in the entire country or even the entire world.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The police didn't kill him. He was overweight and in I'll health and made his own decision to resist arrest.
    He was just fine before they put him in a choke hold and compressed his chest.

    It didn't help that they neglected to revive him for several minutes after he lost consciousness. Got a good way to dispense with that form of negligence, too?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Look.. If some random crack head punches me. And I choke them for even 1 seconds and they die. its my fault.
    No, that is a BAD comparison. Mr. Garner has not punched anyone nor threatened anyone.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why do you bother constantly posting what you know are wrong claims that are known untrue? In a sense it is only a self personal attack against integrity.

    "The medical examiner said compression of the neck and chest, along with Garner's positioning on the ground while being restrained by police during the July 17 stop on Staten Island, caused his death."

    It's not like this hasn't been posted dozens of times and was splashed all over every form of mass media.

    Are you confusing the Ferguson Missouri shooting of Michael Brown by Officer Wilson with this chocking death of Mr. Garner?
    Notice I wasn't denying the findings, just your ability to understand what it means in real and medical terms. And where did I make any claim that was untrue? In fact you were asserting falsehoods in the same post where you posted this finding and that precisely what I was pointing at. You posted a falsehood, then posted the finding proving yourself wrong.
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