I never said it did make a difference what he ranted in the video. Though I would argue that what people say to a cop does actually make a difference. You can't verbally threaten anyone. If a cop hears you threaten someone's life they are within their rights and duty to bring you under control.And again, it doesn't make a lick of difference what or if Garner "ranted" anything. The police don't get to kill you if you yell at them. And I don't care what happened during your so called "missing part"
Do you believe the amount of force used in that video would kill your average sparring partner?All I know is what I saw from the time police laid hands on Garner until he died. That was clearly excessive force and zero justification. And yes, i'm very much in a position to know what I'm talking about.
I've spent years doing MMA. I've choked people out before and been choked out myself. I have a pretty good idea of how much force we're talking about and how much force you can apply... It's A LOT, like you feel like your head is going to be detached from you spine, like enough to burst blood vessels in your nose so that blood gushes down your throat kind of a lot. (it's a slightly violent sport )
I don't doubt that you know something about MMA and submission holds. But I would have to question your understanding of submission holds with regard to police work. They aren't in a position where their opponent can tap out and get up off the mat. A police officer is literally in a potential life and death struggle where letting their opponent up is not an option. Ask a police office some time what they are trained to do when a suspect complains about their submission. Anyone can claim they can't breathe, that doesn't mean the police should just let them up.So I kind of know what I'm talking about regarding personal combat. Choke holds aren't supposed to suffocate. It takes too much time and force. In fact, it's virtually impossible to suffocate someone with a choke single handedly if they're fighting back. Cut off blood and the person is out in a few seconds, suffocation takes minutes. From the time the officers first laid hands on him, Garner did NOTHING in any way shape or form to resist arrest. Nothing. He's laying on the ground clearly whimpering that he can't breathe. Do you have any idea how much self control it takes to be in that kind of situation and NOT panic and flail? Hint: it's an ungodly amount. Don't believe me, crawl under your car so that you can't move and then hold your breath until the panic sets in. Not being able to breathe + Not being able to move = mind blowing levels of panic.
I doubt that. Given that Garner reared back and fell to the side that the office in back was pulling him I would say he played a roll in bringing down Garner.And yet look at the cops position. If I had been another cop at the scene I would have decked the guy that was choking him. His body position and actions do not contribute to "subduing" (as if it was needed) Gardner. Zero. Nada. Nothing.