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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I'm troubled by this one far more so than the Ferguson decision. In the Ferguson incident, Michael Brown absolutely contributed to and caused his own demise. In this case, in NYC, we're talking about what is virtually a by-law infraction - selling cigarettes loosely, without tax, and local variety stores and businesses pressure police to stop it. But nobody, in my view, should die because they broke a by-law. Now, this man clearly was resisting arrest - he was surrounded by police and he kept pulling his hands back when the police tried to handcuff him. As with Michael Brown, this man is another "gentle giant". What is it about big black men that they resist arrest to the death?

    This is a case, I believe, that should have gone to trial so that the entire NYC community could see and review the evidence and a jury could pass judgement on whether or not manslaughter was an appropriate charge. The community, in this case, should determine whether or not a banned choke hold being used in order to secure an arrest is reasonable force. For me, I don't see why the police didn't simply issue the man a summons to appear in court on the by-law charge.

    This one bothers me a lot.
    Yeah, when I saw the video of this occurring I could see myself in that man's shoes. Not the selling of untaxed cigs, but I could see myself being mandhandled by cops and it pissing me off.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I'm troubled by this one far more so than the Ferguson decision. In the Ferguson incident, Michael Brown absolutely contributed to and caused his own demise. In this case, in NYC, we're talking about what is virtually a by-law infraction - selling cigarettes loosely, without tax, and local variety stores and businesses pressure police to stop it. But nobody, in my view, should die because they broke a by-law. Now, this man clearly was resisting arrest - he was surrounded by police and he kept pulling his hands back when the police tried to handcuff him. As with Michael Brown, this man is another "gentle giant". What is it about big black men that they resist arrest to the death?

    This is a case, I believe, that should have gone to trial so that the entire NYC community could see and review the evidence and a jury could pass judgement on whether or not manslaughter was an appropriate charge. The community, in this case, should determine whether or not a banned choke hold being used in order to secure an arrest is reasonable force.
    For me, I don't see why the police didn't simply issue the man a summons to appear in court on the by-law charge.

    This one bothers me a lot.
    let's subscribe to your approach
    and the man then fails to appear in response to the summons
    would the police then have license to act as they did in this instance
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
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    What will be the reaction in NYC tonight as another grand jury chooses not to hand down an indictment for a white police officer who killed a black man who resisted arrest?
    The absolute least case in this matter should have been criminally negligient homicide. There should be riots as a result of this grand jury. It appears it is the police/gov't vs. the taxpaying citizens in this Nation.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's subscribe to your approach
    and the man then fails to appear in response to the summons
    would the police then have license to act as they did in this instance
    If the man didn't appear, the court would issue a bench warrant for his arrest. What would happen when the police acted on the warrant, I can't speculate. As I noted in editing my above comment, it appears this man had 31 other similar arrests for the same "crime" - why did he resist so much this time around? Likewise, he clearly had no respect for the law if he's broken it 31 times.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I'm troubled by this one far more so than the Ferguson decision. In the Ferguson incident, Michael Brown absolutely contributed to and caused his own demise. In this case, in NYC, we're talking about what is virtually a by-law infraction - selling cigarettes loosely, without tax, and local variety stores and businesses pressure police to stop it. But nobody, in my view, should die because they broke a by-law. Now, this man clearly was resisting arrest - he was surrounded by police and he kept pulling his hands back when the police tried to handcuff him. As with Michael Brown, this man is another "gentle giant". What is it about big black men that they resist arrest to the death?

    This is a case, I believe, that should have gone to trial so that the entire NYC community could see and review the evidence and a jury could pass judgement on whether or not manslaughter was an appropriate charge. The community, in this case, should determine whether or not a banned choke hold being used in order to secure an arrest is reasonable force. For me, I don't see why the police didn't simply issue the man a summons to appear in court on the by-law charge.

    This one bothers me a lot.

    Edit: It seems that the man in this case had 31 prior arrests for similar minor offenses and apparently "knew the drill" - what possessed him to resist this one to the death is puzzling.
    I understand how this might be troubling to some people but the cop was effecting an arrest and using reasonable and necessary force to do so. It sucks that the guy died but I just don't see where malice or excessive force was used by the cops. This, unfortunately, falls into the same category as the person who gets hit by a car while crossing the street in the middle of the block at 3:00 in the morning wearing a black jacket.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yup justifies killing someone by choking them to death, by using a banned chokehold on someone.
    No, his resisting arrest did that. Had the police been equipped with tasers he probably still would have died and then you'd be howling about police use of tasers.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This is ****ing unreal. It was an prohibited choke hold and the coroner called it a homicide, how does that not generate at the very least a manslaughter charge?
    Of course it was homocide, but that doesn't mean it's murder.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
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    What will be the reaction in NYC tonight as another grand jury chooses not to hand down an indictment for a white police officer who killed a black man who resisted arrest?
    There are more differences between this case and t he one in Ferguson than there are similarities. The most glaring difference is that the guy they arrested in NYC was clearly not a threat to anyone. There was no need to have used force against him at all. And five officers wrestled him to the ground? All that for selling untaxed cigarettes?

    That was clearly a case of overreaction by police officers.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
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    What will be the reaction in NYC tonight as another grand jury chooses not to hand down an indictment for a white police officer who killed a black man who resisted arrest?


    Race is irrelevant in this case imo.

    The choke hold is not even the issue actually


    The fact that the cops end up killing a dude over selling bootleg cigarettes is what we all should be outraged over.
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    NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand jury

    NYPD cop in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted - NY Daily News


    Eric Garner’s widow reacted with dismay Wednesday after a Staten Island grand jury chose not to indict the NYPD officer who killed her husband with a chokehold.
    “Oh my God, are you serious?” Esaw Garner, her voice rising in shock and anger, told The Daily News. “I’m very disappointed. You can see in the video that he (the cop) was dead wrong!”

    Garner was referring to the shocking cellphone video first published on NYDailyNews.com that showed Officer Daniel Pantaleo placing Garner in a chokehold — a move banned by the NYPD — and wrestling him to the ground.

    “The grand jury kept interviewing witnesses but you didn't need witnesses,” the anguished widow said. “You can be a witness for yourself. Oh my God, this s--- is crazy.”
    So is it time to burn down this New York City bitch, too?

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