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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Brown was a thug who charged a cop and got shot in the head for it. This was after he robbed a store. That was justified and the outrage over brown are stupid.


    This dude, was selling loosies unarmed and was attacked for it ultimately causing his death. It's a bit different.
    Blame the government for making it illegal. The cops are just doing what their civilian bosses tell them to do.

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    What lead to the police surrounding Garner, do you know? What is your evidence?
    first we don't know, the police failed to articulate thier reasonable suspicion for detaining gardner.





    AND given the downplaying of the choke hold in the original report. Who am I to believe?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Sorry, the police don't get to kill you for not putting your hands behind your back instantly.

    The police didn't kill him. He was overweight and in I'll health and made his own decision to resist arrest.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Oh, also, while we are on the topic of Tyrone Glover's technique, do you know where I can send condolences to the family of the other guy in the picture? Obviously he was murdered by that lethal choke hold.


    He was let go. had he held it, it could easily kill him, I am not sure why you are taking this tact but it doesn't help you here.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Apdst, I'm surprised you came back. Did you ever get around to answering my question after I answered yours? No?. Then, move along now, we have no time to address people who run away from questions. If ya did, point to the post #. Here's the question again:
    Then don't respond. I didn't know you spoke for everyone on this thread.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Blame the government for making it illegal. The cops are just doing what their civilian bosses tell them to do.

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    Cops didn't observe him committing a crime
    Cops could articulate thier reasonable suspicion for detaining him.
    Cop put him in choke hold

    I think you are right, the taxes create the black market, but these officers still should be far more reasonable in their execution of enforcing the law.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    As a matter of policy the NYPD prohibits the use. So the answer would be no they cannot. However because it isn't illegal for them to use one a criminal proceeding based solely on the choke-hold will go nowhere.

    Therein lies the technical accuracy of the situation. I personally think a chokehold is terrible, and they shouldn't use it for a reason. But from a legal perspective, it isn't illegal. It's a policy issue. The NYPD should release him from any additional affiliation with them for breaking their policy which according to my BIL is something that the cop as well as the other cops should have known by second nature.
    From a legal standpoint, hitting or kicking someone isn't illegal. Only illegally kicking or hitting someone is illegal. From a legal standpoint, chocking someone isn't illegal. Illegally chocking someone is illegal.

    Here is what mattered:

    The city medical examiner has ruled the death of Eric Garner, the 43-year-old father whose death in police custody sparked national outrage, a homicide, saying a chokehold killed him.

    The medical examiner said compression of the neck and chest, along with Garner's positioning on the ground while being restrained by police during the July 17 stop on Staten Island, caused his death.


    What was not considered were other criminal charges - and to be DRAMATIC!!!! and talk ONLY in ABSOLUTE EXTREMES - nor does anyone else it seems (but me) consider other possible charges than murder/manslaughter. Two officers committed criminal offenses against Garner - one a felony and the other a misdemeanor. But not manslaughter/murder in my opinion.

    In my opinion, the officer who snuck up behind him and jumped up on his back with a chock hold committed felony reckless endangerment and felony assault. The Officer (#99) who held Garner's head with his body weight against the concrete committed misdemeanor assault.

    Not only was the surprise assault from the rear illegal for the chock hold as an unlawful assault against Mr. Garner, but also because of the predictable result of Garner with this surprise and over 150 pounds suddenly on his back pulling him backwards caused him and the officer pressed against a large sheet of glass - which the officer stated caused him to fear for his life (though expressed no fear of Garner getting seriously or fatally cut) - and that danger then forced the other officers to quickly join in - also endangering them too.

    The sneak assault from behind is what caused and escalated this - and that action of his endangered the life of everyone involved - including himself and Garner, but also the other officers. As it was life threatening and - if fact - was the primary factor in Garner's death - it is felony reckless endangerment. It wasn't just a punk-bully thing to do, it was a felony.

    Shoving Garner's head into the concrete was unnecessary, but was only a misdemeanor assault.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then don't respond. I didn't know you spoke for everyone on this thread.
    Apdst, I'll keep bringing the fact that you didn't answer my question after I answered yours. Do you have a problem with that? Here's the question again:

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    Another blanket accusation meant to draw attention away from the issue, how odd for you apdst. Apdst simple question: Do you believe all of the conservative members who have agreed that this was a case of excessive force are race hustlers? Yes or no answer. No need to draw it out.
    You're welcome to answer it.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The police didn't kill him. He was overweight and in I'll health and made his own decision to resist arrest.
    The police killed him. Sorry that's a fact. Homicide by choking was the official cause of death.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    so we throw out diplomacy in favor of choke holds and violence.
    Actually no. I have seen no one on either side of the issue defending choke holds as regular police procedure. Nor violence. But his actions led to what you are characterizing as violence, which in this case was an orchestrated and trained maneuver to subdue caused entirely by his resistance to being cuffed.

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