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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I don't see anything that would warrant an escalation of violence on the officers part. Do you think this was the best way to handle the situation? honestly.
    What lead to the police surrounding Garner, do you know? What is your evidence?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nope. Just pointing out you don't actually know what happened so your certainty is baseless.
    Ah, so there is no certainty that anything of relevance happened in whatever time lapsed, there is no relevance that there are other videos which exist, but from the evidence do have we can't deduce that the conclusions of most people are wrong?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And LITERALLY thousands of cases that deserve scrutiny and protest, which is why it is sooooooo stupid to blow cachet on the Brown and Garner cases.


    Brown was a thug who charged a cop and got shot in the head for it. This was after he robbed a store. That was justified and the outrage over brown are stupid.


    This dude, was selling loosies unarmed and was attacked for it ultimately causing his death. It's a bit different.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Chokeholds were banned because they kill people.
    Therefore using chokeholds is willful disregard for human life.
    Tasers kill people, too. You want those banned?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That's called a no-gi rear lapel choke, or a modified Mata lećo, the under-hook ads as an anchor point to apply the choke.



    Lapel Choke


    Obviously tyrone has better technuique
    Oh, also, while we are on the topic of Tyrone Glover's technique, do you know where I can send condolences to the family of the other guy in the picture? Obviously he was murdered by that lethal choke hold.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Again, you don't know that. You are making an assumption based on a video that cut out the moment just before the choice was made to use aggressive measures to subdue him. Your statement is ENTIRELY presumptive on what you think the missing footage or un-filmed part of the encounter involved.

    What we know:

    Eric Brown ranted at the police for a little while as the police stand around with arms folded--> Film cuts/missing --> Police are in position to subdue Eric Garner and then subdue him.

    Neither you or I know what is in that missing portion so neither you or I are in a position to state with any certainty what happened in that missing part of the encounter.
    Who's Eric Brown? And again, it doesn't make a lick of difference what or if Garner "ranted" anything. The police don't get to kill you if you yell at them. And I don't care what happened during your so called "missing part"

    All I know is what I saw from the time police laid hands on Garner until he died. That was clearly excessive force and zero justification. And yes, i'm very much in a position to know what I'm talking about.

    I've spent years doing MMA. I've choked people out before and been choked out myself. I have a pretty good idea of how much force we're talking about and how much force you can apply... It's A LOT, like you feel like your head is going to be detached from you spine, like enough to burst blood vessels in your nose so that blood gushes down your throat kind of a lot. (it's a slightly violent sport )

    So I kind of know what I'm talking about regarding personal combat. Choke holds aren't supposed to suffocate. It takes too much time and force. In fact, it's virtually impossible to suffocate someone with a choke single handedly if they're fighting back. Cut off blood and the person is out in a few seconds, suffocation takes minutes. From the time the officers first laid hands on him, Garner did NOTHING in any way shape or form to resist arrest. Nothing. He's laying on the ground clearly whimpering that he can't breathe. Do you have any idea how much self control it takes to be in that kind of situation and NOT panic and flail? Hint: it's an ungodly amount. Don't believe me, crawl under your car so that you can't move and then hold your breath until the panic sets in. Not being able to breathe + Not being able to move = mind blowing levels of panic.

    And yet look at the cops position. If I had been another cop at the scene I would have decked the guy that was choking him. His body position and actions do not contribute to "subduing" (as if it was needed) Gardner. Zero. Nada. Nothing.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, so there is no certainty that anything of relevance happened in whatever time lapsed, there is no relevance that there are other videos which exist, but from the evidence do have we can't deduce that the conclusions of most people are wrong?
    I can conclude from the lack of evidence that the conclusions of people who rely solely on that video are baseless.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Was the black supervisor involved in any of those incidents?
    Apdst, I'm surprised you came back. Did you ever get around to answering my question after I answered yours? No?. Then, move along now, we have no time to address people who run away from questions. If ya did, point to the post #. Here's the question again:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Another blanket accusation meant to draw attention away from the issue, how odd for you apdst. Apdst simple question: Do you believe all of the conservative members who have agreed that this was a case of excessive force are race hustlers? Yes or no answer. No need to draw it out.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I can conclude from the lack of evidence that the conclusions of people who rely solely on that video are baseless.
    No, no, you're doing more than that. You're saying that there is supposedly more evidence, and asking what if that evidence makes this verdict less of a screw up.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Guess you missed the part where he was told to put his hands behind his back. Guess you missed the combative tone and actions. Guess you missed the size difference between him and the officers. Maybe you should watch the video again.
    Sorry, the police don't get to kill you for not putting your hands behind your back instantly.

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