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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    No one -- NO ONE -- has accused Garner of attempting to flee, or using force on anyone. There is absolutely no reason why such information would be restricted to the grand jury. If he had acted that way, there is NO QUESTION the NYPD would have released that information.
    You said that before, but you don't actually have the information necessary to make that claim with any certainty. The Grand Jury heard 50 witnesses testimony, are you claiming to know the content of their seal testimony?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Depends entirely on what transpired that changed the police officers demeanor from standing back with arms folder to surrounding garner and jointly taking him to the pavement. None of us know what happened in that moment because that footage was either cut from his friends video, or his friend didn't film it.


    I don't see anything that would warrant an escalation of violence on the officers part. Do you think this was the best way to handle the situation? honestly.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So that would point to the possibility that cigarettes had nothing to do with the confrontation, or the choice to arrest Garner. It was clearly on the top of Garner's mind when the police approached him but that doesn't mean that Garner wasn't just making incorrect assumptions in his agitated state.

    What we know for certain is that the video everyone here is using to discern what happened is critically missing the part of the altercation where the police demeanor changed from folded arms and listening to Garner rant to arresting Garner. Any claim that Garner did nothing to warrant arrest is unfounded because the public simply doesn't have that information, at least not from that video.
    Whatever might be in that gap would have to be a pretty big deal, given the other footage and the comments of the witnesses.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That's called a no-gi rear lapel choke, or a modified Mata lećo, the under-hook ads as an anchor point to apply the choke.

    Lapel Choke

    Obviously tyrone has better technuique
    The guy on Eric Garner's back was so small compared to Garner that he couldn't even lock his hands.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Depends entirely on what transpired that changed the police officers demeanor from standing back with arms folder to surrounding garner and jointly taking him to the pavement. None of us know what happened in that moment because that footage was either cut from his friends video, or his friend didn't film it.
    Still leaning on: What if something happened...? Lol.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Whatever might be in that gap would have to be a pretty big deal, given the other footage and the comments of the witnesses.
    The Grand Jury heard the testimony and interviewed all the witnesses. How many witnesses have you interviewed so far?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Still leaning on: What if something happened...? Lol.
    Nope. Just pointing out you don't actually know what happened so your certainty is baseless.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The video is VERY telling. The police officer grabbed him from behind in a poorly locked in choke hold for 8 seconds until the man was on the ground. The hold was then released and he was held on the ground while being cuffed. He was not shouting "I cant breathe" while the 'choke hold' was applied but while he was on the ground. Thats far more indicative of a heart attack than anything else but what is certain is that it was NOT caused by a choke hold.

    The fallback position is "the police caused his death". That is not correct. He decided to be combative with law enforcement and that had the EXACT SAME result it will have in ANY situation involving ANYONE. Law enforcement will win. You and everyone here arguing against the police KNOW that to be fact. NONE of you are stupid enough to openly advocate for citizens to physically resist arrest and none of you are stupid enough to actually do it yourself. He did it and you KNOW he did it. Because he did it and because he was 200 pounds overweight, had an enlarged heart, hypertension, weight caused apnea, asthma, and numerous other weight related physical ailments, when he went down he had a heart attack. The cause of death was cardiac arrest which occurred while in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.
    We can see here what the Medical Examiner had to say. Why a Medical Examiner Called Eric Garner's Death a 'Homicide'

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who Is Daniel Pantaleo? NYPD Officer Who Killed Eric Garner Was Accused Of Misconduct Before Chokehold Death



    This just gets better and better. There are 5-6 posters who have tried so hard to make these cops look justified because of those 31 priors and yet here we have a cop who gets off by getting on other people. He has two lawsuits people, not for selling cigarettes, he has them for abusing suspects. He settled one, and in the other his actions are correlated to the dismissal of charges. Lmao, this is the righteous cop people are rallying behind?
    Was the black supervisor involved in any of those incidents?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    And LITERALLY thousands of cases that deserve scrutiny and protest, which is why it is sooooooo stupid to blow cachet on the Brown and Garner cases.

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